Wednesday, November 10, 2010

EYEWITNESS NEWS

People Editor Has No Backbone
For “ Sesel Pou Seselwa”! Ha, Ha, Ha!
Last week in the People, a writer with no name had published an article saying we are not Creoles, we are Seychellois and it is high time we came to our senses, seemingly making an appeal to the Parti Le Pep lost goats on the issue.
The Editor of the People, placed a disclaimer to the article saying the opinion of the writer was not necessarily the opinion of the People.
How coward and lack of backbone has the People, the Parti lepep (PL) ragtag weekly become?
No More “Sesel Pou Seselwa” @ People?
Gone are the days when People would stand up for Seychellois and say: “Sesel Pou Seselwa”, that famous phrase Peter E. Gill handed to Albert Rene, to push for Independence after he came back from Kenya in 1965 and where there was a push for Independence throughout Africa from Britain’s receding empire in Africa and beyond.
Rene of course betrayed “Sesel Pou Seselwa” on June 5th, 1977.
After that infamous day , Rene proclaimed: “Sesel Pou Albert Rene”. The rest has been history, until James Michel embarked on a course to BANKRUPT Seychelles and sell her to the highest bidder, Khalifa and company.
This week, November 5th, 2010 , spineless and gut less People says: ....”Economic Risk of Opposition Sponsored Xenophobia”
In this rubbish article found on page Four (4), the writer got clearance from the Central Committee of JJ Spirit, made up of puffs and dragons, to site Jean Le Dem’s of the IMF, statement on the success of the Seychelles Economy in 2010.
Mr. Le Dem pointed out that Seychelles may finish the year with 6% GDP. But what Mr. Le Dem did not tell us, and he could careless, was that 6% GDP growth is from James Michel selling Seychelles to Sheik Khalifa Al Zayed Bin al Nayan for a pittance borne out of a few donations made from the whims of Khalifa himself, after not paying over $300 Million in taxes due for goods used on his house at La Misere. Just that amount of uncollected taxes could settle ½ of our external debt or ½ of our domestic debts and banks could drop interest rates to the commercial sector.
For Mr. Le Dem and IMF, these are complicated matters that will add paper to his Seychelles file. So he remains silent on where the growth comes from. This is our internal problem according to Le Dem and IMF;a little like the missing $2.4 Billion from our banking system, which can be addressed only by a change of government.
If Khalifa had paid his taxes when due, our GDP would be at 18% perhaps, outpacing Singapores’ 9% GDP for the year 2010. Weak pussy whooped by a female camel out of a zoo, People ignores that little detail, hiding the corruption that under pins SPPF’s investment programs.
SESEL POU SESELWA- PEOPLE!
I say this to the spineless Editor of the People: We Seychellois do not want a one man economy. It is a dangerous precedence and it is bad for the macro economic balance of country in the long run. We want a diversified economy that is fundamentally based on the most loyal investors to Seychelles: SESELWA! If Khalifa does not like that, he should go home. IMF will adjust the figures.
Don’t Forget Pitiful Eden Island
The second area of growth is Eden Island . This area is slightly lower in national contributions then Sheik Khalifa. But Eden Island has been given a free ride to exist in Seychelles that Seychellois investors would never enjoy. The Editor at the People does not mention that little detail.
Eden Island represents about 2% of the GDP. But People Editor, Eden Island paid no Stamp Duty on $49 Million land transfer, representing Rs. 35 Million in uncollected duties.
Additionally spineless People Editor, SPPF gave Eden Island all the beaches on Eden Island and the water ways, in direct violation of the Constitution of Seychelles, Article 2 which provides,1. The territory of the Seychelles, shall consist of- b. The territorial waters of Seychelles and the land area of the Seychelles.
How can Patrick Lablache sign off our waterways and beaches to Eden Island without a constitutional amendment People Editor?
Additionally weak, pitiful People Editor, spineless as you have become, Eden Island is operating an illegal hotel pool of apartments that is destroying the existing Tourism Industry. You are suppose to protect and enhance existing business when you bring online new business, not destroy exiting business and industry. The Editor at People is silent as a door nail on the matter.
People Editor like President Michel, has their left shoe on their right foot, and their right foot on a banana peel: mis-stepping every step of the way.
More Mis-stepping By Spineless People
In trying to explain the economic situation in the country, People says: “Yet, subtracting the foreign element from the Seychelles economic formula is exactly what the Opposition from SNP to NDP and Mouvman Seselwa Rasin (MSR) are attempting to do through their xenophobic campaign.”
As far as MSR is concerned, we are not xenophobic nor are we anti foreigner investment. We are pro any investment. How else are we going to pay off the debts SPPF created, People Editor? Investments can be it Seselwa or foreigner. However, our citizenship is not for sale as per MSR manifesto. Our land must not be for sale any longer as per MSR. Leases must suffice with foreign investors like in many countries. SPPF has sold too much for too cheap.
James Michel has sold more land to foreigners then any other sitting President of the Republic, weak, Spineless, People Editor, who has no courage to stand up and defend the People of Seychelles anymore. Instead you have reduced yourself to covering up for Michel’s failures and his program of selling our patrimony.
Neither is MSR willing to collaborate with providing foreigners any soft deals under the table like James Michel Government. This is where weak, spineless People Editor gets it wrong.
If Seselwa cannot benefit from the economic progress of our country, and our people cannot play a meaningful role in developing our country, because they do not pay bribes to SPPF, then we will eat bread fruit and salted fish.......it will be a pleasurable meal as usual.

I call on the Editor of the People to RESIGN!

SESEL POU SESELWA!
May God Bless All Freedom Loving Seychellois!

96 comments:

Anonymous said...

PP is more than confused it said,seychellois are not creoles,maybe Arabs then.
Racism has become Pp cathword now,becuase PP think that any individual or political parties that criticize and bring to light PP illegal actions are racists.PP means, that we should just shut up and let PP continues operating above the law and do whatever it wishes as selling our patrimony to foreigners.

Pp said MSR cannot be registered becuase its manifesto is unconstitutional.I thought Pp ignores that in this country there is a constitution .So PP if registering a new party is unconstitutional what about our land illegally gifted to Khalifa.What about our passport sold to foreigners.What about all those foreigners illegally controlling our institution.What illegal constructions in national reserves etc and etc.

Patriotism is not racism,just as communism is not democracy donkey.

Anonymous said...

These arrivistes in Parti Lepep do not know their history and they talk out of their derriere. Who bombed tourists while they slept in their beds ?

Anonymous said...

THEY NAVE JUST KILL 48 CHRISTIEN IN A CHURCH IN IRAQ AND THOSE CHRISTIEN HAVE TO RUN AWAY TO FRENCH.

THIS WHAT SYECHELLIOS WILL SEE ONE DAY.THERE WILL RUN AWAY FROM THERE OWN HOMELAND.IF THERE STILL WANT TO LEAVE UNDER PP COMMUNIST SYTEM.WHO ARE LETING THOSE ALEINS COMING IN FOR DISTRUCTION.

Anonymous said...

I presume the people above are talking about all the foreigners like English and American?

Anonymous said...

SESEL POU SESELWA! PA POU BIGOTWA OU BYEN SPECULATORWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA

Anonymous said...

Gill have you decide yet whether you are American or Seselwa?

Anonymous said...

And you? Are you Seychellois, Creole or African? Or all three?

Anonymous said...

Why do some try to discredit Mr Gill,is it because he has the courage to stand up and said it as it is, or some are fearful for their cozy position, that might crumble when all falls apart."Bien Malaki pa bien prospere."
By the way our people use to live a longer lifespan because they use to eat food that grows on the Island,no chemicals was added to it then, nothing wrong with our breadfruit and fish,it suppose to be good dietary intake

Anonymous said...

"Pussy whooped by a female camel out of a zoo". This is how Gill's STAR refers to Sheik Khalifa and Arab people in general. Why is it that STAR publishes anonymous articles everytime it contains racist propaganda?

Patrick X said...

Nation publishes a number of articles each year and as far as I can see, the only ones with signatures, i.e where the author is given, are the letters to the editor and a few sponsored articles. Else all Nation's articles are just as anonymous as Gill's articles here on STAR. For the record, Regar is no better either when it comes to signing its articles.

Gill is asking foreigners to go home if they do not pay their dues, like Khalifa for instance who owes the country millions in unpaid duty and taxes. So he gives a few laptops to schools. So bloody what? If he paid his dues we could buy laptops for every school ourselves.

By the way, there was another politician who in the 70s asked other foreigners to go home, manely the Americans. Anybody remembers who?

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

If Parti Lepep gave me a large tract of land and a few hundred million dollars, I'll happily buy them a few laptops in return. My generosity might even stretch to building a new clinic for the poor of Seychelles.

Anonymous said...

MSR Offices have been broken into and our files taken and 5000 flags and 5000 star stickers. A few thousand badges.

When you are done with your games PL AND SNP COLLABORATORS, remember this:

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Anonymous said...

@Gill - A full weekend of strategy and this is the best move you can make? Insurance claim?

@ Patex - The point is about racist content not anonimouse. Gill wants us to believe MSR is not racist, but keep using racist language in guise of a non y mouse.

@ A non y mouse - In one sentence Gill say Khalifa has increase GDP by 9% gross 6% nett. Then he say it is peanuts and we must take more money from him. We all know the GDP of Seychelles, So which one is it?

Anonymous said...

PP loves selling Seychelles, and the people of Seychelles. They make a living selling our patrimony.

Yes or No?

Anonymous said...

The harrassment,,intimidation and political lawlessness of PP has been the trademark for the last thirty years.After victimized Mrs Jumeau,Mr Sulivan it is now MSR office which has been the target.This shows us two things the real face of PP and how fearful of chance they are.Viv MSR,Sesel pou seselwa.

Jeanne D^^Arc

Patrick X said...

Esc@rgo:
cause
How can a party led by a white/light brown man in a country where 80% of the population are black be racist? Seriously, this is just an excuse to divert and distract people from the cause. Just have a look at MSR's facebook friends list and see all the colours that are represented there. If you can at least 3 textures, then come back here and tell me MSR is racist. If you still claim it's rascist, then I dare say that a good portion of the population is racist.

MSR has clearly said that they are not racist in any way, but reject foreigners who come to rip off the country while dealing out peanuts as if we were all monkeys. Canada is a country with a large foreign and multicultural population, but despite this they have strict policies regarding foreign investment and employment. Major projects employ only specialists and the main workforce is to be either Canadian or residents of Canada. Now are they racists too? The Brazilians have a similar policy, are they racist?

I understand fully that PL want to surf on the racism wave, but be a bit realistic and you may see that MSR has nothing to do with racism, merely nationalism. MSR is lifting up the Seychelles Spirit to a level beyond anywhere the PL is capable of doing. Why else would they burgle the office and steal stickers and other propaganda material unless they are afraid of it reaching their voters? If the material was illegal they'd certainly send the Police to confiscte it right? Bunch of cowards is what the PL have become.

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

Self harm is a sickness, good news it can be cure with psychatric treatments. Make the insurance claim.

Anonymous said...

Pl Collaborators-

The self harm story is similar to the wife beater syndrome you make people of Seychelles victims of.

Your insurance suggestion points to your cynical perception of life and human dignity.

Hence why killing and mayhem is part of your plot of responses to an opposition that has beat you intellectually, over and over again and again and will continue to do so over and over again and again.

The Racist card you play is laughable. Tell me SNPL- "MSR is racist towards which race?"

And,

MSR is made up of which RACE?

Answer that question right and you will have buried yourselves eternally.

After you are all through your games, only one thing will stand in Seychelles, beyond ZOMN LIB , Rene, Michel, Ramkalawan and company:

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

Patex,
Racism is not only white against black. racism can also be against someones religious beliefs. You personally have used racist language towards the muslim people by using foul language and making fun of their prayers. Do remember there are a number of Seselwa Rasinn that are Muslim. Is that how you want MSR of whos ideals you are a supporter of to treat them.

Anonymous said...

Reply to defeated PL Collaborators-

Racism is prejudicial action and sentiment towards another based on the color of the victims skin or ethnicity.

There is no racism in MSR. MSR is made up of all races, like my own family.

Racism is found only in SNPL weak arguments, because they are defeated intellectually by MSR.

On the matter of religion, MSR accepts all faiths and has no dispute with any religion.

We believe that Seselwa Rasin like all other people, have the right to exercise the religion of their choice.

Defeated Collaborator, talk sense, or resign yourself to nonsense.

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Anonymous said...

Pathetic excuse X. Racism and bigotry is about attitude and behaviour, not the skin colour of the person dishing it out.

MSR is encourage the re-development of this behaviour because it is convenient for it to try and gain power. This will make the MSR policy institutionally bigoted.

Today is WWII rememberance day. let us not forget that 95% of Germans in 1940 supported Hitler and Nazi's. This does not make their attitude and behaviour to the Jews and Gypsy acceptable, does it?

Anonymous said...

Defeated Collaborator-

You compare MSR to Nazi Germany ideology, because you are defeated.

MSR professes no hate towards any race or people.

MSR demands that a stop is put to the selling of our passports and citizenship, you call this NAZISM?

MSR is calling for due respect and recognition of all Seselwa Rasin. You call this Nazism while you allow 40,000 Seselwa Rasin to live overseas, without an option to return to Seychelles?

Is it NAZISM to not permit overseas Seychellois the right to vote?

Will it be NAZISM when the Commonwealth Observers are invited to Seychelles by MSR, to assess if we have a level playing field after 17 years of multiparty process?

Defeated, flat out....EVEN THE FILES YOU STOLE COULD HAVE BEEN PICKED UP IN ANY OFFICE IN TOWN!

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Anonymous said...

Yup Gill you say all the sanatized things while a non i mouse articles and comments use racially derogatory terms. Like the latest one "pussy whipped by a female camel out of a zoo"

You are not dealing with the american electorate in Seychelles buddy.

Anonymous said...

The 80% example is to show that a fostered majority attitude is not always right. Like a majority attitude towards slavery was not right.

If you are sensitive about how close you sail to the Nazi wind, then that says something itself.

Anonymous said...

How many of these 40,000 people have implicitly or explicitly taken oaths of loyalty to other countries? Do you want 20,000 peope who have sworn alligence to USA above all else to decide the government and policy in Seychelles?

Anonymous said...

SESEL POU SESELWA PA POU BIGOTWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA!

Anonymous said...

Patex I have to agee with you on one thing. Under all the crap that MSR has piled there is a germ of a good idea. A revitalised national identity. A building of confidence in our capabilities. A recognition of our culture and heritage. A fostering of good work ethic and equal opportunity.

All good, except when MSR decided to ride the economic frustration and exploit peoples resentment of wealthy non-white/western foreigners or the success of hard working immigrants.

Granted some immigrants have recieved generous leg-ups towards their success. But on the other hand immigrants in all countries tend to be hard working and end up better off within a couple of generations. This is why controlled immigration is good for all economies.

Unfortunately, instead of lifting morale by profiling our capabilities and promising a policy of equal opportunity, MSR has taken the lower route by suggesting the elimination of competition and building a superiority complex. Not by words but by body language and institutional policy.

Anonymous said...

Seselwa Rasin who are muslim have a right in this country and they have been exercising their rights even Khalifa set foot on our shores.
Illegal mosque for illegal foreign military force does not have anything to do with seselwa Muslim,it is unconstitutional anda crime committed to the sovereignty of this land.We are and will continue to crticize any foreigners whether muslim or else if they their aims are to control our land or act as if they about our law.Those muslims we have been critising are those to the likes of Khalifa who think Seychelles is a part of their torritories and have a right on us.

Calling MSR racist won't change us especially when those doing so are criminals who have destroyed and selling our patrimony to foreigners.We can understand their frustration ,what they thought would not happen(change)is becoming more and more a reality ,they fear prosecution and punishment,so this is their last fight for survival.

And PP before calling us racist ,there are plentz of questions the people want you to give clear answers to,for example the wherabouts of our billions etc.

Sesel pou seselwa PP,and seselwa are creoles not Arabs,not hindus,not pakistanis,not Gurkas,or irishes criminals .
Viv MSR ,VIV Seslewa rasin,viv Sesel.Prosecution to PP.

Jeanne D'Arc

Jeanne D'Arc

Anonymous said...

What is racism? Racism in the seychelles can be equated with the system that bring in foreigners to do the job that ordinary seychelloise can do. Racism are those who deprived real seychelloise a plot of land to build a dwelling house in his/her homeland but give it to foreigner for one ruppee. Some of the comments if they are coming from seychelloise are pathetic after all khallifa is nothing for the seychelloise people are do not want to be muslims we are a christian nation periods. The Atheist have tried to remove our christian faith it has not worked and it will never will. Stop labelling people who is sacrificing himsely to open the eye of the mind of the seychelloise people. Just look at our state of affair if you are a true seychelloise you should be concerned because oneday when we wake up we will be like the chagossian people. Racism is created by system which divide and rule those who label their own countryman along political lines for every benefit that a real seychelloise is entitled. This the form of racism which exist in seychelles well before Christopher Gill started his blog. Get down to the reak issues let Seychelles breathe the real democracy stop impeding your challenger because he is responding to what ordinary people are saying secretely but Gill has been able to say candidly with no fear at all. Seychelloise need to overcome this fear barrier created by SPPF.

Anonymous said...

RAcism,or at least what PP wants to say,is anyone who rejects the illegal selling of our passports ,patrimony to foreigners,,illegal construction on our beaches or National reserves, Tax exempts for foreigners businesses and all those foreigners who illegal optained our nationality illegally.

Pp calls it racism becuase in its opinion no one should denounced PP illegal deeds.Anyone who does so is a racist.

But Seychellois are educated and know PP very well as the gang of criminals who hijacked their liberty in 1977 and of course apart of Tikolor and other collaborators.

Jeanne D^ARC

Anonymous said...

Love the last paragraph. Says it all. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

SESEL POU SESELWA, PAS POU BIGOTWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA!

Anonymous said...

Yes love the last paragraph from Jean D'ork - Seselwa are creoles not Arabs,not hindus,not pakistanis,not Gurkas,or irishes criminals .

See Johhny D'uck the MSR manifesto does not say anything about the issue you raise such as price of land, or selling of passport etc.

Even your definition of Seselwa is against MSR manifesto. According to MSR manifesto even you are pure English or American or Australian and you live in Sesel in 1976 then you are Seselwa. Not only kreol is Seselwa according MSR manifesto.

But Gill will not say anything to correct you. Because you are saying the things he cannot do officially a non i mouse John D'onk.

He need your misinformation to gain power.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Misled-

When you say MSR will eliminate competition you are dead wrong.

We will eliminate corruption that stifles Competition.

Eden Island, is it competition or corruption? Corruption fuels Eden Island.

Ask PL Collaborator that stole the Eden Island file about the Rs.39 Million tax free stamp duty.

Ask them about the deal to do illegal hotels with apartments that stifle and desptroy existing INdustry.

Seychellois have a comparative advantage of being Seychellois in Seychelles. This must be respected and is part of the competition formula, it mus tnot ever be crushed by anyone.

King Freezer Hatchet PL Collaborator-

As for the hatchet man that broke into MSR office at Docklands, you say this is not the USA elecorate.

I know what electorate I am dealing with. You need to know how to read.

Go back and read the article with reference to being pussy whooped. Look up the word whooped then look up the word whipped whcih you confuse it with.

Give us back our Coco De Mer stamp if you want respect. It will be a start.

If not, cancel Article 22 of the Constitution. If you do not know what it means, look it up in the Constitution you stole from MSR office.

Beware: taking the Constitution from MSR does not mean MSR does not have constitutional rights.

Think this over carefully and you will under stand what I am saying.

Si Sesel PA Pou Seselwa, e pou lekel, SNPL?

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

If I can penetrate Tikolor's thick skull (kafoul koko), I would like to let him know that that not everyone who posts on this blog supports MSR creed. We post here, because we get a chance to criticise Parti Lepep. I would happily post on Seychelles Nation.sc Online, if only they will drop the brutal censorship.

For the record, I do not support a political party that is based on racial origins. I do not think there is a place for such a political party. But who the hell does H Gappy think he is to make that decision for us ? Albert Rene was spouting his racist demagogy even before some of us were born. H Gappy has had no problem re-registering his party as Parti Lepep (and they certainly do not mean lepep Seychellois).

It is quite legitimate to look after your citizens first (irrespective of racial origins). But it is wrong to make artificial divisions in the Seychellois diaspora.

The problem is that Parti Lepep has been handing out Seychellois passports like hot cakes and we now have a few undesirables with our passport. That is the pressing issue that we need to address, starting with throwing out Parti Lepep in 2011. It is the betrayal of a nation and it must be brought to a swift end.

I admire Christopher Gill's opposition to Parti Lepep. I just do not get the "racine" or "rasinist" bit.

Anonymous said...

Si Sesel pa pou Seselwa al demann Jean D'ark pou ki? She says Sesel pou creoles only. And she list the specific people who are not Seychellois: Arabs, Hindus, Pakistanis, Gurkas, or Irishes criminals.

Oh nice explaination of "pussy whoop", now how about the "female camel" bit? What ludicrous explanation can you come up with for that?

Not bigoted? Poppycock!

SESEL POU SESELWA, PA POU BIGOTWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA!

Anonymous said...

Reply to Racine Bit-

Allow me to highlight the Rasin bit.

Seselwa Rasin for MSR are those persons, family, people, individuals and now there descendants and naturalized families, that were in Seychelles, and in any part of the world, on June 29th, 1976 on the day we became a Nation, that considered themselves SEYCHELLOIS as opposed at the time to British or French etc....

On that day, we became a Nation.

On that day, we became a People recognized by the United Nations Charter.

That explains who Rasin are.

They are made up of all races, froma cross the continents of the World, different cultures that melted and became what we know as the Seychellois culture, and they speak English, French or Seychellois.

It is our positon that Seselwa Rasin must retain control of their patrimony.

This is a direct conflict with PL strategy of sell baby sell. Or the SNP strategy of accepting anyone to determine our affairs like Siva Ambassador, as long as he pays.

Thank you for your ideas, and your time.

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Who dares argue against that?

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

Reply - Jeanne D'arc attacker

Jeanne D'arc expressions her personal opinions.

She does not represent MSR because we do not know her.

She supports MSR and we will not turn her away if she was DP, SNP, NDP, SPUP or SPPF. Not even PL.

MSR accepts all Seychellois and appeals to all Seychellois to stop fighting the politics of RED, BLUE, GREEN, Yellow. Unite as a people to face the challenges our patrimony faces today and for the next 50 years.

SESEL POU SESELWA!

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

To "Not everyone who posts onthis blog supports MSR"

Gappy is the Electoral Commissioner and is doing his job as required by our democratic constitution. Thats who he is.

Parti Lepep has a manifesto which is acceptable under the third republic and democratic norms. SNP does. Boulle does, NDP does. MSR does not.

But Gappy, like the IMF man, joins a long list of people who automatically become "criminals" and "incompetent" simply because they disagree with MSR. Even St. Ange was once on this list. What does this remind you of huh?

If there are undesireables who have Seychelles passports these can be revoked on an individual basis with due process. What's the carte blanche revocation and then individual re-instatement about? Its about apealing to the likes of fanatical MSR supporter J D'Arc

Whats with the formulation of a derogatory term to label immigrants? Its about apealing to the likes of fanatical MSR supporter J D'Arc

Whats with the use, defense and refusal to condemn blanket bigoted derogatory terms like "female camel"?

Are these not blatantly appealing to racist and bigot sentiment?

I get your point about freedom of speech. But as has been said before - firebrand islamic preachers like Abu Hamza have practiced freedom of speech on the roads after the mosques turfed them out. Can one argue that the terrorism aspect is just a side show and we should only discuss the freedom of speech issue? I think not.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Collaborator

Gappy cites the basis of denial as being a one party state law Cap 173that conflicts with Artcile 22 of the Constitution and Article 27. See Article 5 aswell, it will show you what happens in a democracy when laws violate the Constitution.

Gappy 's decision shows how primitive we still are as a democracy.

So does your comments.

As Francis Savy told me once a long time ago after speaking to me about business ideas, he said," it will be hard, but we will have to learn".

Too bad the learning curve can be very expensive when faced with gaff after gaff.

Sesel Pou Seselwa!

Anonymous said...

Gill for a lawyer with three degrees you disappoint!

From your definition it would appear anybody anywhere in the world on June 29th 1976 that claims they considered themselves Seychellois are Seychellois Rasin!!

But more to the point, Jeanne D'ark may be expressing her own views. She is also a vocal MSR supporter. Do you agree with her view or not?

Anonymous said...

lol, thats right! Talk about selling patrimony. MSR won't even bother to sell it!! Just let anybody consider themself Seychellois to be Seychellois!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the terms "rasin/rasinist" are an unfortunate choice of words to highlight those who have been given the Seychellois passport for political reasons by Parti Lepep to either stay in power or reward their wealthy foreign chums.

I get the "fabrike" bit. I just have to think of Ramadoss and there it is as large as life and unnatural.

Anonymous said...

Unnatural? you mean like a negro lady sitting in the front seat of a bus in Alabama when good white ladies are left standing? Yes this is MSR!

Anonymous said...

Yeah I agree. I don't like the guy Ramadoss, but I dont like bigots even more.

SESEL POU SESELWA PA POU BIGOTWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA

Patrick X said...

Wow! This post really has aroused a lot of emotions from several sides which itself is good as it shows that we are not as indifferent as previously thought.

You may call Gill a racist, but when he criticizes the selling of passports to both Ramadoss, Krejcir or any other piece of dirt that wants to no nothing but exploit us, it sounds more to me that he is a nationalist rather than a racist. As someone stated further up, racism is about colour and ethnicity so when both a whithe Czech piece of no-good and a dominant Arab piece of even less(yes Tikolor, he may be royalty to you, but to me he's just a man like myself), I don't see racism in it, but protecting national interest. As an example I can mention Bermuda where work permits are given for a 5 year period of time and have to be renewed after an evaluation by the authorities. Citizenship can be obtained after 20 years or so, not just by paying off the right people or kissing the right backsides. Are the Bermuidans racists? I think not!

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

TIKOLOR I AM TALKING AOUT THE WOMEN IN BLACK AND THOSE MAN WHO WEAR BOOMS UNDERWEAR.TERORIST TIKOLOR.

Johnny

Anonymous said...

So sorry PateX unfortunately he does not criticise the issuing of passports to any undesireable. He only uses the possibility that a few undesireables have gained our passport as an excuse to create a whole catagory of disenfranchised citizens based on immigration arrival date.

Of course Jean D'Arc clarifys the definition of undesireable: Arab, Hindu, Pakistani, Iriesh criminale

QED - Bigoted and racist.

Ramadoss as a Seselwa, somebody else says is "unnatural", then I guess the same applies to KD Pillay or the other malbar shopkeepers.

QED - Bigoted and racist.

Gill is also very generous to open citizenship to anybody in the world who was living anywhere in the world on 26th June 1976, or their decendants, simply if they consider themselves to be Seychellois and not French or English etc.

I'd say Gill is handing our patrimony out for free, not even selling it. But only if you are the right skin colour or a wannabe.

Patrick X said...

I disagree with you on the following ground:

1) Krejcir was neither Hindu, Laskar or a 'darkie' in general when he got his, neither are all those Ukrainian pieces of shit that use our citizenship with diplomatic immunity to whitewash money giving us a great reputation internationally.

2) Alas, many of those of Ramadoss' calibre are hindus so I see that you've been swept by the racism wave, i.e it may seem that they(malbar) are targets.

Gill does however distinguish clearly that those who earn their passports should get it, although after a number of years, not after a number of kisses on the right backsides.

There is no racism in MSR. Please distinguish that between nationalism and patriotism.

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

I agree that MSR's politics are more about nationalism. Nationalist parties (as opposed to national as in SNP) are everywhere.

It is interesting that MSR's detractors have no response to it, except to shout racism in a very crude way. Seychelles was a melting pot of races at independence. The problem is with those passports issued by SPPF since 1977 and it is probably true that the vast majority would not have qualified for a passport before 1977. Some of these -- I believe the word is -- fabrikes are enthusiastic supporters of Parti Lepep who are trying to keep the people in bondage.

I have no issue with the fabrikes being made a political issue by any political party. My issue is with the 'rasin' and more clarity is required. Would it not be easier to compile a list of the fabrikes, with Ramadoss at the top of the list ?

Tikolor, racism is to discriminate against people according to their race not according to their immigration arrival date. What are you on about ? What are you on ! You have now conceded that the issue is not race but immigration arrival date. Although the real issue is those passports given out by Parti Lepep to their foreign supporters.

Anonymous said...

Tikolor,
Pillay,Temoolgy,Abe, etc these were here before 1976,they all have integrated in our society ,they are Seychellois .Ramados,Siva and all those to whom our passports were illegaly sold or gifted cannot be concidered Seychellois,why ?They did not obtained it according to immigration law of this land.Also for those who came here on a working permits- Persons on working permit do not fall in the category of those who can cliam our passports-it is unconstitutional Tikolor.Accepting PP illegal acts would be make t PP acts legal.

Tikolor i think Pp communist party has more the charateristics of Nazism than any parties inthis land ,if any.
I give you some examples,
Nazism system of governemnt had two particularities:1)The VOLK(the people)and the FUERER(the leader)in communist it is the same you have the supreme leader ( the Dear leader and the people.
Nazism stold Jews gold to sponsor their wars,Michel and PP confiscated thier people land and assets to gifted to foreigners.
Hitler had his Hitlers Kinder,Michel has Jj evil spirit.
In Nazism all decission amking,thinking were done at the politburo,so is the case in PP communist system.

And note Tikolor, Nazism is the short form of NATIONAL SOCIALISM which is quit close to PP communist ideology .

Jeanne D'Arc

Anonymous said...

Don't rise to the racism bait being laid out in front of you by TIKOLOR et al, Concentrate on ridding the nation of him and his like from power. Also as to the robbery, I could have bet a million rupees that 'State House' crooks would do something like this, so you should not have kept things where they can be easily found.

Anonymous said...

You say Ukrainian pieces of shit? And then you claim you are not bigoted?

Amusing how you hope to redeem yourself with technicality when your dispicable bigotry is clear for all to see!

SESEL POU SESELWA PA POU BIGOTWA KI APEL ZOT LEKOR RASINWA

Anonymous said...

Jeanne D'Arc Mr Christopher Gill has publicly stated that MSR is NATIONALIST SOCIALIST. HA HA HA HA HA HA

I can see why he says your views are not MSR!

Patrick X said...

Anonymouse(as you'd put it yourself):

I guess you don't see mafiosos, crooks and bandits as 'pieces of shit', but find them rather digestable as long as they pay well enough right?

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

We all know there are some pretty nasty Seychellois living in Australia.

How do you feel about white supremist Australians referring to all Seselwa in Australia as "Those Seychelles Pieces of Shit carrying Australian passport with impunity" ? I suppose thats OK its not bigoted?

And how about Gill, he looks unnatural as an American. Definitely not the handsome Malborough Country cowboy!

Patrick X said...

Oh yes, you are of course referring to Tikolor and France Albert Rene & Co. To that I totally agree as such pieces of shit do not deserve to be anywhere but behind a set of thick concrete walls. But yes, any foreigner in his host nation is obliged to behave himself(or herself) and abide the laws of the country in addition to being an excellent embassador representing his or her home country. So yes, I totally support the Aussie nationals who refer to the likes of the above as POS.

PaTeX

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Such a nice man that old associate of our government.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-11-12-anatomy-of-a-murder

Anonymous said...

Oh no Pwateks like you the Aussie nazi refer to ALL seselwa with the aussie passport as "Those Seychelles Pieces of Shit carrying Australian passport with impunity" and like you they are bigot so of course you will agree with them.

Anonymous said...

Reply to the Collaborator harrassing Jeane Dárc in defeat-

MSR is Nationalist Socialist now, to remove PL from power.

After we have done that, and secured the Motherland Seychelles, to the rightfull owners of Seychelles, the Seselwa Rasin, we will have levelled the playing field, we will move on the political spectrum to intellectually solve the problems of Seychelles in a pragmatic manner. No ideology has the solutions for the mess SPPF has created. The only solution is to stay open minded.

As for Jean Dárc's opinions, I may not always agree with her, but I will defend her right to say what she pleases. That is part of her humanity, PL Collaborator. When you attack her for her personal positions, and not the issues, you reduce her humanity.

That PL Collaborator is more NAZISM then anything else I have seen in the Indian Ocean.

When you use violence, krow bar to break MSR office and take all our hard copy files, that is a NAZI tactic of your JUNTA in Seychelles.

It shows you are defeated intellectually, it shows you are bankrupt even though your leader drives around at night in a Rolls Royce with GS plates.

We Seselwa Rasin know from our history who is a Seselwa Rasin.
We don't need a scientific test to determine that.

Sesel Pou Seselwa!

Anonymous said...

People is a weak paper everyone knows that. It lacks focus and direction. It just strokes the leadership, to keep the pay checks coming and perhaps get priority on an apartment and a car loan/

JJ spirit has lost sense of purpose and over all, while people go hungry in Seychelles, more then ever, People has lost its sense of humanity and sense of being Seychellois. They are KREOL and then they do not know if they ar ecoming or going with the foriegners taking Seychelles by storm.

Lost Cause.

Anonymous said...

roflmao! The super lawyer tries to crawl out of the hole he dug himself - "We Seselwa Rasin know from our history who is a Seselwa Rasin. We don't need a scientific test to determine that."

Of course your democracy is based on good legal terms like the above.
As always just loose language to allow you to be a BIGOT BIGOT BIGOT! And a self declared NAZI (which is the abbreviation for Nationalist Socialist)

Anonymous said...

"How do you feel about white supremist Australians referring to all Seselwa in Australia as "Those Seychelles Pieces of Shit carrying Australian passport with impunity" ? I suppose thats OK its not bigoted?\"
The above statement is bias and it appears to be the writer opions not the reality of how it is in Australia.
By example it these words were voice and was heard literally ,by a person in Australia.He or she can access anti.discrimination law which prevent such vilification of a group of people from different origin.It not perfect but the system seems to work and the people in Australia gets a fair trial when needed,"having said" that there are times when mistakes are made,still its better than the actual Seychelles justice system in placed.
We can not
compare Australia social justice system with the one in Seychelles there are no comparison.

Anonymous said...

The author of the statement use a hypothetical example to test what Gill & Patrick X says. Thank you for confirming it is not acceptable in any democracy.

Yet in Seychelles we should have people like Patrick X and Jeanne D'Arc who voice exactly those kind of words on Arab, Pakistani and Ukranian?

And we should have Gill to defend the right to make such statement and represent them politically?

In Seychelles today it looks like it is not allowed also, so it is same as Australia in this respect.

Anonymous said...

To "MSR is Nationalist Socialist now, to remove PL from power. After we have done that, and secured the Fatherland Seychelles,we will move on the political spectrum"

Do you mean after you are elected by the people on a Nationalist Socialist (aka Nazi) platform you will then betray them and cross the floor?

Patrick X said...

Guys,

Freedom of speech applies for everyone, not just those who agree with whoever is in charge or with the majority.

If MSR's policy is not digestable, tehn let the people get a taste of it through the party list be the judge of that. If indeed tehre is no majority or enough votes for MSR to get a place in assembly, then the people will have spoken and Gill can hold his peace. In the meantime let him have the same opportunity as the others.

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

Communists do not like freedom of speech,because they know that their own stupid,ignorant ideas could not survive if people were free to discuss them as forexample we doing everyday on "STAR" and that is one of the reasons why PP is attempting to impede MSR registration as a party . Whatever Pp^s pretexts, excuses are always provided by those who would trample upon the right to free speech.

Free speech is an absolute fundamental of democracy.We will not let you silence us and rob our freedom, further .

Jeanne D`Arc

Anonymous said...

How about a party that promise the following: Everybody who recieve Salary of 5000 or less will immediately get Salary of 20,000. And everybody who have recieved salary or income of above 10,000 will have their wealth taken away to pay for it.

Such a minifesto will be quite popular and defeat PL. Should we have a party like that?

Anonymous said...

Yeah so Abu Hamza and other fanatic preachers of hate should be allowed to spout propaganda? because freedom of speech is a fundamental right above everything? I think not.

Patrick X said...

So who is to decide who should be allowed to preach or not? You? Me? Tikolor? Albert Rene? What about letting the majority decide who has the right to preach or not, for instance through the ballot box?

Anonymous said...

The majority laid down the constitution which decides.

Go to court and get a judgement.

Patrick X said...

Which court? The one governed by the PeopLe?

PaTeX

Anonymous said...

The kangaroo court where the judge, jury and hangman is Albert Rene. I suppose it might work -- set a thief to catch a thief.

Anonymous said...

No the one which gives mysterious political pardon after conviction by multiple courts. You will find it East of Seychelles and West of Australia where kangaroos are native.

Anonymous said...

You mean the one that lies East of the sun and West of the moon?

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