May 22 (Bloomberg) -- James Michel won his third term as president of the Seychelles, securing 55.46 percent of the vote yesterday against 41.43 percent for Wavel Ramkalawan, his main opponent.
Both Michel's Parti Lepep and Ramkalawan's Seychelles National Party accused the other of bribing voters on the Indian Ocean archipelago.
About 58,000 eligible voters cast their ballot over a three-day period, out of some 69,000 registered voters. Voting was extended to allow people on outlying islands the chance to participate.
Michel has been in office since 2004 after replacing the People's Party socialist leader France Albert Rene, who came to power in a coup in 1977. Michel was re-elected in 2006 with 53.7 percent of the vote against the 45.7 percent won by Ramkalawan.
What Bloomberg failed to say was that the 3 other candidates boycotted the result announcement and decided to stay away from the farce of an announcement by Electoral Commissioner Hendrick Gappy, one of the kingpin behind the fraudulent election. Ramkalawan, Volcere and Boulle all refused to wait around for the results of an election which was fixed well before the first ballot was cast. It is now up to the international observers to file their meaningless reports that will state the elections were "free and fair".
In summary, this election was as far away from free and fair as can ever be imagined. Michel won with manipulation, illegal money and more importantly, by allowing illegal and ineligible Seychellois to vote. Seychelles is truly doomed for 5 more years while the country is raped by Arabs, Russians, Indians and Chinese. The corruption will simply continue on Monday morning under Ramados, Dolor, Savy, Adam and the rest of the thieving gangs who will return to robbing the people of Seychelles.
STAR warned for months that this election would be fraught with corruption. Christopher Gill called for a boycott of this sham election many weeks ago, but no one listened. Maybe now the politicians and opposition members will wake up to this battle cry.
SESEL POU SESELWA. THE FIGHT GOES ON!
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1 – 200 of 572 Newer› Newest»Gappy and Michel were colluding all along. Time to wipe them out for good.
What a joke. Unbelievable that all these monkeys voted for a chimpanzee. I am really sad to learn that we have so many idiots in this country. Time to boycott the next election and to sotp patronizing these thieves.
It is not a joke. The people have spoken!! And by the way, we are not idiots.
Wavel, you were warned here on STAR. Last night, uou were not present to concede defeat because the process was far from fair.
It is never too late, all you have to do is admit that you should not have participated in this sham election. All you did is give credibility to 'sham democracy' and JAM.
How come you had so many SPPF voters flying in from all corner of the world, whilst known opposition Seselwa Rasin are not allowed to participate if they happen to be abroad. There are some Seselwa Rasin who pay their taxes in Seychelles and because they are not in the country 3 months prior to elections, they are not allowed to register to vote. At the same time we have many Fabrike who makes the journey back to Seychelles at election time, there are plenty of examples. These Fabrike are allowed to ensure PP is re-elected at all costs.
Before going into the next elections you need to ensure the following few points below are in place. Future elections should be boycotted, if these points are not adhered to:
1. We need a credible voters register. This register should be available for all bonafide political party officials to see and vet during the year. The voters register should be updated on a daily basis, not just 2 weeks in a year. See example of UK online voters register facilities, we need something similar:
http://www.192.com/people/voter-check/
2. All Seselwa residing abroad should be allowed to vote if they register themselves on the register. Unless we have a foolproof system to cast electronic or postal votes, Seselwa residing abroad will have to make the journey back to Seychelles to cast their vote in the district they happen to register in.
3. Foreign workers holding GOP permits should not be allowed to register and participate in our elections.
4. Only holders of a Seychelles passport or bonafide Seychellois should be allowed to participate in the voting process.
5. Person with a dependant permit visa should not be allowed to register to vote. They need to naturalise and become a Seychellois for them to be allowed the priviledge to vote.
5. We should have a team of at least 5 independent electoral committee.
The above is a short list relating to the Vote Register. There are other points that needs raising in order to hold free and fair future elections.
ARAZE
Wavel, Volcere, Gill, Boulle and any other person wishing to participate in future Seychelles elections read this little bit of advise below:
The common enemy is SPUP/SPPF/PP. If you all agree on this statement then you should find a way of joining forces together to stand up against this corrupt regime.
MY ADVISE IS PUT YOUR DIFFERENCES ASIDE - AGREE TO WORK TOGETHER TO DEFEAT THE COMMON ENEMY. IMAGINE WAVEL EXTENDING A WELCOME TO ALL THE ABOVE AND IMAGINE ALL ABOVE FORMING A SINCERE UNITED OPPOSISTION. IT WILL BE SPPF/PP WORST NIGHTMARE.
The government of Seychelles will never change unless there is a united opposition. FACT.
SPPF/PP is using the tried and tested method of Divide and Rule. Our past colonial were excellent masters when it came to Divide & Rule. SPPF/PP have mastered this policy very well indeed.
The following appeared on facebook taken from Wavel 2011 profile. Shirley Mondon it appears is a fake profile used by parti le pep. It shows the election had been fixed months before. It has all the hallmarks of Albert Rene on it, if you read between the lines.
Mondon Shirely Si Parti Lepep i gannyen nou pou desann pou nou selebre sa koud-deta ki spup ti fer pou vol pei
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Vincent William bye bye politik karya
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Liber Sesel Kimannyer sa vot pakor konmans konte, deza sppf y konnen inn ganny, kwa zot inn vol papye vote dans zot bann fer trik!!!
Shirely Mondon Bye bye POLITIK KARYA!!!!!
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Liber Sesel 7er pankor sonnen konte pankor konmanse, sppf pe dir desanm pou selebre ki zot pou selebre zot defet!!!
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Shirely Mondon ARET BAWAWA ARET FATIG SESELWA!!!!!
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Alvin Marie hahahahaha defet lo parti lepep
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Shirely Mondon Zot ki viv pour defet, sanmenm tou ki zot konen, zot dirizan in bez tou larzan zis avan en eleksyon. Ki kalite kouyon ankor sa!!!!! Bye bye politik karya!!!!!
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Shirely Mondon SNP pe al anmas son beze final!!!!!
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Mondon Shirely Tou papye vote i dan nou lanmen. Nou pou toultan vol zot. Si zot annan oken problem anmenn nou Parti Lepep an kour.
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Shirely Mondon Bye bye POLITIK KARYA, ewla Wavel mon konen ou sa gran malad mantal ki ou ete!!!!!
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Shirely Mondon Vinn donn nou lanmen SELEBRE!!!!! Kontan ou finalman kapab fer ou rev vin vre, pou al plant banann Mozanbik. Gran NIGO!!!!!
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Vincent William welelelele Jack Beck welelell u will do Shirely Mondon ALALA,,, Statistik preliminer i montre sa ki mon pe dir zot depi bomaten, en kantite SNP pann turn up pou VOTE. Welelel, zot in bez zot prop lekor dan lakle!!!!!
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Mondon Shirely ahhr be zot bezwen pa vinn vote. nou'n byen manipil zot. Nou'n aste zot kard idantite e sa i bezwen anpes zot desann. Snp in fini war defet avek nou bann trik so zot pann desann pou al vote akoz zot konnen ki zot in fini perdi
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Shirely Mondon Zot kanmi WAVEL, zot kanmi, ou bann siporter i bez kanmi pou ganny asosye avek ou, akoz ki zot konnen ki ou en perdan patolozik wavel, ou'n ne pou anmas beze. I dan ou DNA sa!!!!!
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Shirely Mondon Roumba, mwan mon dir ou ki statistik pe demontre ki zot bann siporter in kasyet anba lili e pann desann pou vote!!!
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Shirely Mondon Wavel vin selebre avek Lepep aprezan!!!!!
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Liber Sesel papye vote i dan nou lanmen. Nou pou toultan vol zot. Si zot annan oken problem anmenn nou Parti Lepep an kour.source Shirley Mondon - Shirley Mondon ou ganase ou swa ou pe fol?
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Liber Sesel ahhr be zot bezwen pa vinn vote. nou'n byen manipil zot. Nou'n aste zot kard idantite e sa i bezwen anpes zot desann. Snp in fini war defet avek nou bann trik so zot pann desann pou al vote akoz zot konnen ki zot in fini perdi - Shirley Mondon la y admet oun manipil voter - oun fer fraud dan eleksyon - Kontinyen koze kozer!!!
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Liber Sesel Wa vinn dir en kour dan box sou sermen!!!!

Serpent Nwar Shirely, touzour pe kose par ou fess. Sesel pou Seselwa.
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Sorry most of you blogers did not get it.Democracy is not only voting and pining democracy on voting is the biggest mistake in Seychelles.The opposition will never make a difference unless there is true democracy in seychelles. Remember even in one party state we have election.Allowing fake Seychelloise especially Arabs and Indian to vote in Seychelles without any Seychelloise roots would always change the land scape. Allowing selective group staying abroad to vote and marginaling the majority not to vote is also a serious problems. A united opposition by merely looking at the figures might indicate that it would not have made any differences but an engaging sincere opposition working coesively for four years could have made much of a differences. They could have set the agenda straight to the dictator Michel that there would be no opposition in any election unless all the institutions are made democratic as required by internation institutions for real democracy to take root. Sorry mate when Gill was trying to put all this concern across. He was called anti-foreigner , racist and all nasty names by mostly SNP supporters. They (SNP) remained very quiet when his participation was refused by the SPPF stooge Gappy in effect collaborating with LEPEP to trample on democracy. Now you will hear SNP mainly crying foul for their defeat.SNP on their own as is has been proved once again would never win any election. What Seychelles need is a new opposition alliance who is interested in the real Seychelloise rather than status and readiness to collaborate with the corrupt government. There should be no talk with this corrupt government unless genuine change happen. Opposition should stop legitimise fake undemocratic elections. Wavel should stop thinking that he is the chosen one to lead the people to the promise land. He should come out from his cloud and try to understand what real Seychelloise people in opposition real want. Cutting deals by the opposition with fake Seychelloise in our country should be stopped. Most importantly opposition need to work on their image by showing the Seychelloise people that they are different from LEPEP/SPPF in deeds and through tangible actions.
The obvious conclusion is that the country is still split 55% SPPF/PL and 45% OPPOSITION since the 2002 elections. It is a standstill clearly. Neither side has improved.
The immediate task is to prepare for the national assembly elections. The slim majority in 6 constituencies will be at risk if the opposition vote is split 3 ways.
I can't see any obvious alternative to Ramkalawan as leader, although the opposition needs a new candidate for 2016. His responsibility to the thousands who have stuck by him is to plan for the succession. Perhaps Ramkalawan stays on for now while committing himself to step down later, while fresh leadership emerges. A fresh face with 3-4 years to make their mark.
As was predicted the inevitable has happened.The oppostion jumped into an election which they knew well in advance would be nothing than flogging a dead horse,a mis-appreciation of judgement inspired by thw prevailing belief that Pp was on its last legs.
Such a humiliating defeat shows oncw again the pettiness and self-defeating impact of the fractured opposition froces.It also reflects the extent to which the opposition has under-estimated the power of manipulation and intimidation that Pp's possesses.Did we not warn you ?
The conclusion is that we should understand by now that multi-party system offered by PP has been crafted to allow fractured and impotent opposition parties to confront Pp's juggernaut without the risk of being dispose and it also reminds us that an authoritarian regime does not hold election that would remove the regime from power.It is naive to beleive that a regime who came to power by force would hold elections to allow other forces to replace them especially when it is clear that holding elections is nothing than a tool in Pp attempt to gain legitimacy thus prolong it grip to power .Moreover,it tells us that there is no possible way to have free and fair election under a dictatorship,who will continue to win elcetions in the future unless the manipulation culture of Pp is stopped by untapped stengths of VOX POPULI.
The opposition has one choice left now they all disapporved the result they nned to unite and boycott the result and call their supporters into the streets to change Pp shem victory.They may also ask for a re-run but they best option would be take into the streets and make their voice heard and to be effective it must be accompanied by ungovernability.The Common wealth observers have comment of the results yet,what they will say would depend on how the opposition protest the results-if the is an agressive objection of the reults the Observers might well confirm the opposition position if the opposition stay stoic then the observer will proclaim Pp as winner.
Opposition has now refused the rsults they now make another step forward call the supporters into the streets now!
Jeanne D'Arc
The momentum gained in 2001 has clearly been lost. There is no reason for Ramkalawan to think he needs to stay on to finish the work. The search for new leadership must start now and it won't be easy. We may well have interim leaders before we get the 2016 candidate to face Danny Faure.
We can protest for more democracy whenever we can. It was good that the opposition was not there to formally concede and shake hands with James Michel. Michel never showed respect to the election process and the possibility that the government might change. It was a good message to send to him and it clearly hurt him.
The fact remains that 57000 people went to vote and a clear majority voted for Michel. There is no claim that the voting and counting on the day were wrong. We have to accept that, as people had a chance to vote for the opposition. The Tunisians and the Egyptians would have voted against their government, whether the playing field was level or not. We do not have to congratulate Michel. Not because we are bad losers, but because we are far from being a democracy where losers are expected to formally concede.
Was it the message or the messenger, or both??We have also to accept that over 11,000 voters did not bother going to vote (dead? absent from the country? apathy?) Added to the 25,667 that the combined opposition scored, it's clear that Michel, whilst having the majority of those who voted, does not command the support of the majority of us. He will have to tread carefully. Yes, Wavel has taken the struggle this far but he now has to step down and allow a new party leader to pick up the pieces and prepare for the national assembly elections. Where that new leader is going to come from, I do not know and I do not see anyone around with the charisma and ability to take over. But that will be an internal matter for SNP to sort out, I hope as soon as possible.
There is no proof that the count were wrong ,of course becuase the manipulation is done before the election started in the VOTERS REGISTRATION LISTS,and of course this year Pp conducted a" national Census" just a few months before the election which gave it the possibility to add some names to the list.Remember the result of the census was made even before it was completed and we ever had the final result of this census,thus we do not know how many people were illegally added to the list which naturally help Pp in it attempt of frauding the election. If the opposition candiddates failed to scrutinize the Reg.list as they should before the election kick off and failed to expose the many names of pseoudo-voters on the lists then there is no need for Pp to rig after the voting is done.
So in a word,pp won not because it has a lot of supporters but becuase it manipulated the results,when you have the manipulating machine well oil in your favour the result of the votes is a foregone conclusion and it will give the same outcome regardless of how hard the opposition try.
Jeanne D'Arc
Michel looked anything like the victor on tv last night. He is conscious of how he got to be re-elected. Can he look at himself in the mirror? And all those of us who allowed ourselves to be bought can we live with ourselves?
Michel almost got the result his party had been announcing for months now. The only snag is that he did not get the "convincing" win his CC members had been telling him he was going to get.
Were Wavel and SNP naive in believing that polluted water at La Misere, napa delo, lavi ser, sale of land to foreigners, etc would sway support in their favour? Visibly people do not care about these issues. This begs the question: WHAT EXACTLY DO SEYCHELLOIS CARE ABOUT????
The opposition is not humiliated! Michel always had an upper hand. The bottom line was that they had the machinery of state at their disposal as well as Khalifa. A reason to boycott? not yet convinced. Nevertheless with the little we had the combined opposition gave them a hell of a fight. JAM and Lepep better realise that Seychelles political profile will never be the same again. I am very upbeat. Stay tuned!!!!!
PL got 900 more votes than it did in 1998, despite 10,000 more valid votes cast. All is not lost for the new leadership which I am sure there will be for SNP.
The question what exactly Seychellois cares about?The result was fraud thus it is not the free expression of the Seychellois position.I think Seychellois want their stolen fredom back,they want to see a stop of the colonization of their land by foreigners ,their institutions illegally controlled by foreigneres and so on.The problem i think is that the passiiety of our people comes from the fact that after thirty-four years of repression they have become less interested in politics something Pp wanted and as a consequence there is a lack of political understanding by our people.Secondly i think Seychellois have not had the chance to find a charismatic leader that they can really rally behind Some have put their confidence in SNP for years not because they necessary like RAM and trust him but they did not have alternative then RAM.I am convince if Seychellois finds a strong leader close to them and speak luodly for them they will be more motivated to participate in the battle to oust Pp out.
Jeanne DÂrc
PL got 900 more voters when its popularity has degraded since Michel took over. Tt begs the question how can this be without fraud?
Jeanne D'Arc
Very good question indeed. WHAT THE SEYCHELLOISE CARE ABOUT? Being in a profession where i am in daily contact with young Seychelloise honestly i was surprised on facebook to see them glorifying LEPEP. Inspite they know that most of the top jobs in civil service are going to fake Seychelloise and LEPEP supporters with inferior educational background and experience.
To know what the Seychelloise care about .
First we need to get down to their level and talk to them.
Secondly we need to educate all disadvantage young people in our district by giving few hours of our time freely to help them with their school work and encourage them to remain in school. Help them so that they will see that they have potential to make a difference in their own life. What happens if we do not do that we will have another generation who will be manipulated by fake riches and the vicious circle will just repeat itself.
A highly educated Seychelloise people would have understand what bankruptcy is,What is selling of state land to rich foreigner for one rupees is,What the consequence of allowing fresh water into the sea and desalinate it afterward and to be consume later with serious health consequence.
Even with them the fraud concocted by Michel and his crook. An well educated workforce should have send LEPEP to their demise.
Thirdly in opposition we need to show more compassion to our people. How many millionaire in the opposition would be willing to help a struggling family to build their home when then genuinely could not afford it.I am not a muslim but the impact that the muslim brotherhood has in the political spectrum in Eygpt came about by helping poor people and in return people are paying them back with their support. The west do not like it but the people's power is far great.
Let us start doing simple thing that matters in our people life by being a model in the district where we live and latter on you will see for yourself.
We do not need Khaliffa money for that but we need to be simple socail entrepreneur. This is the key that i am firmly believed in.
Dear seychellois brothers who sincerely beleives in changes,
Its time for us to let go.
Let the majority fight against themselves just like in the dictatorship countries around the globe.We have always lost and I think its time we simply look at them and enjoy their misery that is comong their way.
As for MSR there is big disappointment in the result. PL supporters are not concerned about the issues that they espouse. Those who are are happy to back SNP. MSR is probably the biggest loser, as the political landscape has hardly changed.
The biggest loser are those who particiapted in this sham election.MSR leadership warned the opposition of participating in this masquerade and called repeatedly on them to boycott it.Today results shows that the only person who was right in his analysis was Chris.It is a shame in fact to see how a half brain donkey to the likes of Michel can fool those intellectuals in the opposition to such extent.
Being intellectual without a plan ,strategy and vision is not enough to be called a leader and not enough to win an election, it demands also the quality of being able to foreseen all iventualities ahead and how to deal with them before them present themslves.
Jeanne D'Arc
We may not all agree with or like Wavel but we've got this far thanks to him. As he now withdraws, the opposition should find itself a new torch bearer. I do not see anyone in the current SNP line-up. In DP neither. There may be individuals with the right calibre "out there" but how much are they prepared to sacrifice to assume this huge responsibility? Hands up please!!!
With all due respect to MSR, you need to re-look at your "policies".I also want Seychelles to be for Seychellois but please you're sounding too much like the french Front National under Jean-Marie Lepen. Please drop this "Seselwa Rasin"/Seselwa Fabrike" slogan and let's present credible objections. The issue is the uncontrolled sale of our passports to foreigners. This should be stopped. I back you all the way on this. But let's agree that there are some foreigners who may genuinely qualify for a seychelles passport. He is as much of a seychellois as you and I. Mr. Mancham,Ralph Volcere, etc all hold a British passport. Are they "angle fabrike"??? Let's be serious and we'll be taken seriously.
Do you have any names in mind?
Question above was for the comment on search for a new torch bearer .
I will forever stay in exile,I prefer to be an immigrant than living in a visible corrupt country,,,,,,,.
what a shame, I believe that some citizen of the Seychelles deserve,,every little bit of hardship that will follow in the days months and years to come.
congratulation for your stupidity.yes there are lots of idiots that is why the same group of people keep winning the election
Blessed be the new Seychelles Nation for the next five years. All that would be, can be and will be!! God is watching!!
New torch bearer: Within SNP - Nicholas Prea. Does he have what it takes?
Marc Hoareau?
Alain St. Ange? But he's already made clear what he wants in life.
Sylvestre Radegonde- but does he want to leave his job overseas?
We need somebody charismatic, with some brains (if possible!), principled and would not take any crap from anyone - least of all the ruling party),who can compromise and in the process unite the opposition. A very tall order indeeed, especially when you consider the huge task ahead.
SNP should consider opening up nominations for the next head of the party and let the party members themselves vote on who its going to be.
Some competition for who gets to lead the opposition for the coming years may not necessarily be a bad thing. The party members themselves should be allowed to decide on who's policies and direction they most agree with.
There needs to be real debate on what the party stand for and what are its core values and plans if elected, it can't simply be to remove the SPPF and remove corruption anymore.
We need to practice what we preach, we cannot complain about not embracing democracy nationally if we do not apply the same principles within the party.
I only hope that, in their wisdom, the party members are clear on what the way forward is and as a result the type of leader required for this next chapter. It's clear that only SNP has the support base and organisational structure to lead us into the next stage. However, it does not mean that this is their exclusive domain. The new leader should set as his first priority uniting all opposition forces of the country under a common programme.
I would like to take a step back and ask What are our values as a people? What do we stand for? And beyond this ask What do we aspire to in our lives? What do we want for us and for our country? We need answers to these questions to be able to plan the next step of the struggle. As a simple observer, I have the impression that people are generally satisfied with their lot, despite moaning and complaining. I have the impression that people appear to be scared of the unknown and as such are not prepared to let go of the crutch that the ruling party has held them on for so long. Initially I thought that that applied to the older generation, to whom SPUP/SPPF/Lepep was their religion. But it seems to permeate the younger generation as well. Am I missing something?
A common programme does not mean giving leading positions to anyone like Gill etc. In any case Gill, Volcere etc are past too according to this result. If they move on to a supporting role in politics, a new SNP leader will find it easier to unite the opposition. As a previous post says, the work to be done is to get involved in the day to day lives of people, providing social support, to get to those who are not listening to the speeches and promises.
For Michel, this election shows he has held on to his support. For all the money spent and the bribes, he has not increased his support. This is not the coronation that he was hoping for.
Overseas I am and overseas I shall remain.My life will carry on, as will be the lives of all those from overseas who went down to vote, INCLUDING OUR AMBASSADORS. But very soon, my beloved people, you're again going to say "C'est ma faute, c'est ma tres grande faute". You've allowed yourselves to be bought or influenced in a hurry, you'll be repenting at leisure. Trust me.
I asked earlier what Seychellois want. I repeat my question. You can get as close to and hlep them as much as you come. Come election day, somedody dangles a few hundred if not thousand rupees in fron to them and they're gone. Do you seriouly believe that all these people who migrated to Michel were people "neglected" by the opposition? A glaring example is David Pierre. This gentleman never managed to be elected in a district. He was given a proportional seat in the assembly with a R15,000 salary which will now guarantee him a pension for life. He reckons he should have be VP candidate. Did he then leave the party on a question of "principles" as he said? Believe this and and you'll believe in fairies....The ones with wings, I mean.
For someone who had just won an election, Michel looked decrepit last night. He did not sound like a confident president. He was uninspiring. God help us with these negotiations with our Arab investors and pei zanmi.
What are our values ?
Michel's reward for high treason is 40 years in power (not prison), including being elected twice by 55%.
Then the opposition, however united and whoever leads it does not have a hope in hell.
Let's all get on with our lives and let Michel run his one-party state. When people would have had enough, they'll take their pik, lapel, baton and walk on to State House and chase Michel out. Let Seychellois fight their own battles for once.
Do the maths. Michel came into government in the coup detat when he was 33 years old. 34 years later, he's still around and by the time he finishes this second term, he will be 71 years old. An old grandfather who would have been in government for 40 years. A victory for Seychelles indeed!!!!
One of the bloger got it spot on people is fearful of the unknown. A society which SPPF have built up to depend on social welfare is not easy to change their perceptions. And for that matter trying to convince one month before the election have been proven to be a daunting task for the opposition. On the contrary Lepep had campaigned for four years through their so called independent SBC, through their district administration,and by using the civil service to blakmail public servant into coercing them to vote for them with treat of firing them out of their job.
So many of our people has learnt helplessness. They do not believe in fending for themselves and as a result the Lepep system which has put them in that situation is happily chaining them to their limiting belief.
I once heard a primary Teacher saying to her lazy daughter who did not make it to post secondary. I quote you should have join JJ spirit and now you are in your shit.So this is the sort of Seychelloise we have who does not believe that her child should take her education seriously and yet expect big thing for failure.
David Pierre issue is very simple even after he had written his letter stating his grieviances. He his intellectually capable but he has no integrity. Knowing him very well in a way it was good that left the party because we cannot have leaders who are promiscous as the leadership in Lepep.Breaking Marriages of others taking psychological advantage on young women are not good qualities of good and effective leadership. I just hope that with his corrupt wealth he will have a decent life and he will grow to become a Bill gate in the seychelles.
Guy i am telling you again an opposition if it is to be successful. It has to be different to that of Lepep in deeds and actions.
Another issue that is worth considering is the church. Our biggest church establishment seems to be very happy with the Lepep rule because they are not doing anything to help the people from breaking their dependance on Lepep. Long are the days of Bishop Chang-time and Bishop Felix Paul may his soul rest in peace. These two men of god really challenged the SPPF establishment and exposed their evil deeds. Now what we have Alcindor campaigning openly in the church together with Agathine what did the Mauritian bishop do nothing. We should try also to address the issue to pope Benedict regarding political enslavement of the Catholic church in our Country.
The church instead of focusing on business deal should be empowering our people to grow spiritual so that they will know that the sole provider is god not James Michel and his crooks. Campaigning for an ATHEIST in the house of the lord is a capable sin.
Do not be discouraged people in the opposition we would see the promised land for our people but we need good effective leadership. All of us are potential leaders but we need to work hard and be centered on our objectives once we have defined them. We need to have vision in order to achieve our mission. Our task is twice as hard now but not impossible.
Opposition leaders should also try through their influence to fight for academically good students to get scholarships or start thinking of supporting aleast one student every three years for a scholarship. Giving young people hope that with the opposition as well it is possible.
Michel has spent half his life in power and we still keep him there.
What's wrong with us ?
ANGLE FABRIK
You understand that dishing our passport is an illegal act and that beucase our constitution says so not beucase a foreigner has dual nationality.Volcere and others have dual nationality they got it legally, so to compare Seychellois with dual nationality with those foreigners who were gifted our nationality illegally is no the same thing.
Die Opositionen mussen Kaempfen aber welche Oppositionen meinen Sie SNP?RAM ist nicht potent und hat nichts getan in aller diesen Jahren etwa zu Tun als unsere Steuer Gelde zusammen mit dem Pp zu ausbeuten.Wie brauchen charismatische Leute wie Chris von der MSR bewegung etwa Schwung in diesem LAND politiche zu bringen, sonst werden wir noch in Hundert Jahren immer noch unter Kommunism bleiben.
Jeanne D'Arc
I must say that someone is using or abusing my name in those statements above in German.
The only statement i made in English and partly in German is the last comment at 3.55 PM.
Jeanne D'Arc
When people are drinking water infested with shit; when all our beaches and land are being given away; when Arabs and Russians are invading our territories; and when you have political leaders squabbling amongst themselves and abandoning all their principles for personal gain-then it shows you what kind of people seychellois are.
We are no better than these ignorant, uneducated and unprincipled Africans who continually keep despotic and corrupted rulers in power just for allowing us to live like the animals: give them food, water and shelter and it is enough. as long as seychellois people remain satisfied with the basic things in life they will get the mediocre leadership they deserve.
Seychellois people are pathetic. where is our dignity? if after drinking shit water, people are still supporting sppf, then these buffoons will never see.
like it has been said, let james michel rap zot lapo lagel.when they are ready they will take to the streets themselves. but you know what? it will be too late because just like the african fool who was walking on gold and diamonds without realising their value, by the time they did, it was too late and it had all been taken away from them.
The Oppostion seems to be accepting defeat though they know it was fraud.Should not they be boycotting the reasult after they failed to boycott the election?Are we going to $0 years like the Egyptian to act or we should take into the street now like Maldivians are doing as we speak and force those criminals out.For as long as manipulation,fraud exist and opostion parties accept it a a fait acomplis Pp will stay forever on power.We must use of means to stop Pp and one democratic and legitimate right we have is to protest,only then we can have an impact on Pp.
The Oppostion must use the people's power now for election under Pp will never bring change.
Jeanne D'Arc
Once a slave, always a slave.
I just witnessed the HUMMER of Maldivian citizen Didi who owns Silhouette Labriz Hotel in the party rally, with flags and banners. How nice that a Maldivian can now enjoy winning a Seychelles election. For the people who voted for Michel, all I can say is that you are all thick Africans with no brains. Your great grandparents were slaves, and now you have become slaves to Arabs, Maldivians, Russians, South Africans and Mauritians. Once a slave always a slave. That African mentality is in your genes and Rene has exploited it and now Michel is doing the same. Tonight when you can't wash your filthy toutoun because there is no water, don't worry. Your slave ancestors did not have water either and they stunk like skunks and bats. I guess you all like that kelkel bad body odour, so enjoy your pathetic slave life under James Michel. Come Monday morning, do not come down to Victoria with your smelly body odour. You might get kicked off the non-airconditioned Tata bus.
Anybody know why seychellois women are supporting sppf?
look at those "ki pe pli ouver zot boyo" in these pick-ups and rallies-yes, women.
and then we ask where are our moral values and dignity? well, our women today are materialistic parasites and will sell their dignity ek troufes if the price is right. then they wonder why our society is corrupt, our children morally bankrupt and families in ruins. it is these same idiotic fanm seselwa ki pe bez trenn sesel annayer pour sa 35an and keeping sppf in power. shame on you bitches
Note TATA means Travail avek ton Albert.
"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. "Romans 13:
A very nice Lepep lady quoted this on FB.
No wonder James Michel thinks he has been annointed by the Creator to save us. He can no longer speak without inflating himself with a sense of grandeur similar to the ages of emperors. Note how he has gone back on previous protocols during Rene's time that is not to use the word His Excellency to refer to the President. Recently when he attended the unveiling of the monument for workers at Anse Royale, the plaque bore the title His Excellency James Alix Michel. Poor Albert Rene, did he really exist for the SPPF's or was it a dream for them and it's Michel who has been sent by God all along to save them.....
In his acceptance speech he said words to the effect that "la voie en pep e la voie nou createur i decide lavenir ki nou pei inn trase...."
Seychellois women like many other Seychellois are supporting Pp not by convinction by Pp has bankrupted the country and made them poor and how Pp is using this tragety to buy voters in election.
Jeanne DÂrc
An interesting mix for PL. Big business supported by rural peasants.
Re: we are not idiots
I know some of you are not idiots but you are opportunists without principles! I wonder which is worst!!!
Arab shit and Arab money in vogue.A bankrupt state dishing million of rupees to stay in power. We are rich and yet we are begging for debt relief what a contradiction.
In my district the amongst of SNP supporters who have sold their soul for money is incredible.
Yes my dear friends we are a group of opportunist who does want the line and the hook to learn how to fish. But we only want the fish. This why most of them starting from monday will start to go hungry again after their little money has dried up.
Never thought I would miss Albert Rene. Despite all his faults, he at least respected the dignity of his people. James Michel is like the Emperor with no clothes, a moron who has no idea what he is doing but he thinks he does. This is the most dangerous kind of idiots to exit-those who think they are right and are on a God-given mission to 'save' his people and implement his 'vision.'
well, james michel, i dont want your vision because i have my own for myself. what i want is for you to treat your people with respect and dignity and stop interfering in our lives.
once again we find ourselves in the 'brown stuff.'Well obviously we want 5 years of the same.It is like we keep doing the same and expect a different outcome.Accept the bribes today and repent tomorrow. I firmly believe that wavel should stand down and let Boulle lead!He is charismatic,intelligent,and makes more sense than a lot of the candidates.Lepep is clever ,give citizenship to foreigners and they can sway the results plus the fact that they fly their people from overseas whilst we overseas seychellois are not able to vote.
I agree to one earlier comment. Of course, I detest our land, identity and jobs being freely given away. But, there is a need to rethink and re-brand the message as part of the political strategy for the next 5 coming years. Drop out the issue of roots, fabrique and whatever. We should use terms like citizens according to the constitution or law. This implies, a more cautious and tactful approach is required. In other words, MSR needs an improved political communication strategy which resonates well among the people locally and externally.
Overall, I think MSR will continue to be an important vehicle and mechanism to challenge the current government.
I do not think we can choose leaders that will lead the struggle in the next 5 years. As history has shown us, true leaders rise. They are not appointed.
Unfortunately, the biggest concern we all know about is the kind of leader that will defeat Danny Faure. Some people are simply not intelligent and wise enough to become the leader we need, but they are determined and they know the cause. Others are very intelligent, but may need to be tactful and reach out to the people. The leader who will rise will need to have both qualities and it is never too late to learn.
This implies the contender will have to work hard all the way to the top from day 1 starting from today. Whoever believes they want to lead will have to forgo individual personnel benefits. This requires personnel sacrifices. This is the core reason why we have been unsuccessful, and the example starts from Mancham to Wavel and to other political leaders including Chow and our St Ange men-the Minster to be. Anyone who vaues personnel benefits first is wasting his time and our time.
The political landscape in the next 5 years in the Seychelles hangs in the balance as the old dictators and players run out of time. The political campaign for Danny Faure for example has started today, not a few months before election in 2016. Part of this effort is to seek international dialogue very early-to implement a better election system and playing field.
This starts with supporting the reason for the boycott beyond the country legal system. The other thing is to seek collaboration, partnership and secure resources from international bodies. It is not surprising that the election result has remained unchanged in the Seychelles because there was insufficient effort to address the problem from various angles. One small step now is a giant step for change in 2016. Who will start the long marathon. Danny is ready to go . Are we?
My friends, even if Jesus Christ was on the ballot paper, James Michel would have won.
Seychellois do not understand what is at stake, for them politics is a game and keeping the other out whatever the cost. Such a petty and ignorant approach will forever keep pl in power. By the way, congratulations to St louis and Beau Vallon.
toultan i annan sa bann nwanr ibou port glaud, anse boileau ek baie lazare, sesel pou reste parey zimbabwe
very right my friend this is why Jesus was put to the cross while Barabas was released.
To the person calling people in west mahe Nwar Ibou.....
This is uncalled for! These people do what they have been brained wash to do. Try and attack the process if you want them to do otherwise, show them alternative in a way that they understand. They have a right to vote and they have exercise that right, if they are the one to vote PL in then next time you should work double to swing them around, calling them Nwar Ibou is simply disrespectful. Please refrain from this bad behaviour.
J.
PS - I Understand your frustration, but you still need to show respect to others. I have nothing to do with PL,SNP or any other party, just so that you and do not think i am defennding PL. Thank you
"Nwanr Ibou" Defintion-Ignorant buffoons with no reason and sense.
No amount of education, persuasion or logic can get through to them.
Persons born to be used by others and who make the majority of people on this planet. This why the world is in the state it is in and Seychelles has the rulers it has.
Nwanr Ibou: You can take a cow to the river, but you cannot force it to drink water!
I rest my case
Of the 83% that voted 55% voted PL. It's typical sore loser tactics to accuse winners of cheating. Have you maybe considered that your candidates doesn't yet have what it takes to run this country? What a shame to call people monkeys when these monkeys are what you probably share your work space with. And you all preach tolerance. Sad sad sad. Next election you should all vote racine. Then you won't be surprised when you are segregated in your own country.
Have you maybe considered that your candidates doesn't yet have what it takes to run this country?
Forgive me but look around you: no water, an economy ran by IMF, corrupted leaders, a failed education and health system- CAN ANYONE DO WORSE?
What a shame to call people monkeys when these monkeys are what you probably share your work space with. And you all preach tolerance. Sad sad sad. Next election you should all vote racine. Then you won't be surprised when you are segregated in your own country.
WE ARE ALREADY SEGREGATED, ARABS AND RUSSIANS AND WHOEVER ARE INVADING OUR COUNTRY.
Such apologetic bullshit is typical of small-minded people from PL. you will never understand what is wrong with this country because u refuse to do so. if such language are used it is because your brains cannot process reasonable and logical arguments. all you want is the confrontational crap that your sppf masters feed you and then complain when people call you monkey.
excuse me but sometimes the truth hurts.
Monkey is not even right term to describe these un patriotic Lepep supporters.How on earth can people who are threaten by foreign invaders encourage by a fool who pledges himself to defend his motherland, running his beloved country to bankruptcy,stealing his country scarce resources and share it amongst his cronies and still win an election.This needs to be recorded in the guiness book of record.
EVEN MONKEY RUN AWAY FROM DANGERS WHEN THEY SPOT IT.
BUT SOME OF THESE SEYCHELLOISE ,THE DANGER IS LURKING AND THE FUTURE LOOK GLOOMY WITH TANGIBLE EVIDENCE OF THEM TO SEE. YET THEY VOTED FOR MEDIOCRITY. WATCH NATIONAL GEOGRAPHY YOU WILL AGREE WITH ME THAT PUT MONKEYS IN THE PLACE OF MOST OF THE 55% THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR A NEW AND FRESH BEGINNING FOR THEIR COUNTRY.
See. You definitely suffer from superiority complex. You believe you are above everybody else because your beliefs are better than others? Sorry ape now you know why today you are complaining anonymously on the internet. Maybe if you took a step down your cloud youd understand why monkeys vote red and you keep losing. We love the little we have because and we do not you to show us how to live our lifes. The airport is open for you to leave if you want.
The last blogger seems to be using Per Fondater's words: "sa ki pa kontan, bato i pase, avyon i pase, pran e ale". You arrogant little piece of the broem stuff. This is MY country as much as yours and I have every right to have an opinion.
From today, the opposition should boycott everything - from national assembly onwards until government brings in the required reforms to our national institutions, eg the electoral commission. Boycott any further elections. Let Michel run his one-party state "avec son pep".
Let's peacefully assemble in state house avenue tomorrow afternoon when James Michel is expected to be crowned sheikh. Let's show the international observers our utter disgust with the electoral process.
the airport is open? believe me, if the people who wanted to leave this dump had the opportunity, it would not be opposition supporters. IT WOULD BE YOU SPPF MONKEYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THIS COUNTRY. opposition supporters have been forced to leave seychelles and yet have return but how many sppf cronies and their friends have properties abroad? dont get me started on the farm in australia. after giving away our land to every kalifa, mohamed and boyobef, you have the audacity to tell authentic seychellois to leave their own country? people like you should be taken somewhere on one of those isolated outer island to be governed by james michel. the problem is not respecting ur opinion it is living with and paying for your mistakes you misguided moron.
People of Seychelles it is time that we forget about all the dangers that has been made by the LP party,
we must sit down all together like real opposition supporters to put ideas together and how to put all those morons out of our country and take back and defend the land that our creator pronounced for Seychellois.
We must appeal and protest locally and internationally concerning all the dirty tricks that the poor lepep supporters have made and today they been celebrating a cheated result and they feel that they have won a real victory.
I feel sorry for all those who have sold their civic rights like Judas sold his master and than hung himself,it is exactly what all the LP have done,
I state it as suicidal action.
I know you may not agree with me,but I am convinced that a new opposition political party must form with new leader and new young ones to take the leads,all actual leaders can be in the background as the mechanism of the party,
If you are ok with the ideas we must start right now to find a new name and new young leader for a solid opposition to contest in the legislative election that we can deal with the LP party.
note that this is only an idea.
I thank God that he has given us the wisdom to protest in silent to overthrow the LP party through justice that will reign in this country.
SESEL POU SESELWA
Seychellles Patriot
Whilst the idea of a new political party is a good one, you will no doubt bear in mind that a political party needs funds to operate and time to make itself known and especially accepted as a credible alternative. Rather than aim for the upcoming national assembly elections - just a few months away, you should aim for the next presidential.
I'm not sure what the "victory" celebrations are all about. Michel scored under 32,000 votes. The combined opposition votes and those that did not turn up to vote are over 37,000. Did you say victory?????? A very hollow one, by any standard.
Guys have you analysed the figures closely? Grand Anse Mahe, where most of the inhabitants of La Misere are registered supposedly gave Michel an overwhelming support. More than in 2006. In essence what this means is that people were given delo kaka and had to fight to get compensation (remember that it was Wavel and SNP who lead this fight)but then come election time they go and vote overwhelmingly for James Michel who was responsible for the pollution in the first place. Does it make sense??? Maybe. It can only happen in our country. Seychelles is indeed unique by a thousand miles.
Boycott will lead to a one-party state. Do we have an answer to a one-party state ? We did not have one before.
We can protest. But we must have the numbers and the stamina to go on for weeks/months, so that PL will either listen or resort to brutality. PL will have counter-protests and they can certainly call them out in thousands. But a country marred by prolonged civil, peaceful protests will not be in Michel's interests. Are our leaders prepared to spend a while in jail for our sakes ??
To have a legitimate grievance about the electoral process we need the evidence -- e.g. evidence of widespread vote-buying and corrupt practices.
There's anecdotal evidence. But can it be turned into evidence that can be used in a court of law ?
Michel's winning margin is too big for isolated cases to make a difference. But if the evidence points to him, pressure can be put on the Electoral Commissioner to prosecute him ??
My point is that people did not have to tick Michel's box, even if they have been bribed. Once they have done it, it is difficult to prove why they did it.
As for the electoral register, we can't stop naturalised citizens getting on the register and voting. It is legal for them to do so. Is there anybody else on the register who should not be there and who voted. If so, there is a case against Gappy and his register. We should have known about that before the election, but that is irrelevant if the fact points to people who voted but had no right to vote. Again, we will need a lot of those to have the register itself condemned.
If Michel calls a snap national assembly elections, we could boycott that. I have not seen the results by districts but I understand Ramkalawan won St Louis and Beau Vallon only. Apparently Bel Air has gone PL in a big way. Les Mamelles, Bel Ombre, Anse Etoile and Mont Fleuri were marginal. I do not know if these have been affected by Volcere's and Boulle's votes. The opposition may end up with just 6 seats, including proportional. Is it worth sacrificing these seats and the airtime on SBC we get on when national assembly proceedings are covered, to protest against the electoral process for the presidential election ? Also, national assembly elections provide the basis for state funding and a salary for MNAs who can double up as party officers. Where will we get the money from if we boycott ? R50 a month from supporters -- can we get that ?
Maybe some La Misere residents think the compensation money is money for old rope, and they do not believe they will fall ill later. In which case, they think they have hit the jackpot with Khalifa ??
The electoral register needs to be available 5 days a week during working hours for all to view. This register is a public document and should not be kept away from the public. It is the duty of all and sundries to ensure the electoral register is clean of dead people, non-Seselwa and foreigners employed under the GOP scheme. Furthermore, Seselwa residing abroad should be allowed to register to vote. However, they can only vote if they make the journey back home at election time, unless there is a safe and secure system for them to vote by post or electronically. I do not understand why Didi (The Maldivian) is more Seychellois than Jose Souyave ! Having said that there are no gurantee that the likes of Jose Souyave would vote for the opposition, but it is his fundamental right to be given the chance to vote in his native country.
The issue of Seychellois living overseas is different. The constitution excludes them from voting, as non residents. It is what Mancham signed up to.
These people can only get on the register if they spend October, November and December in Seychelles and satisfy Gappy that they have returned for good.
The other scenario is those on the register who then move abroad to work and live. The constitution does not cover these cases. It all depends whether they can successfully argue that they are abroad on a temporary basis and therefore still Seychelles residents. If there are many of them on the register, each case needs to be checked to confirm they qualify to vote.
SNP CONDEMNS ELECTORAL VIOLATIONS
The Seychelles National Party (SNP) condemns the violations of the law and the Electoral Code of Conduct which have rendered the results of the 2011 Presidential Election unacceptable.
SNP Presidential Candidate Wavel Ramkalawan did not attend the ceremony to announce the results to protest the violations and so as not to legitimise the flawed electoral process. This decision was taken jointly with the two other contenders against the Parti Lepep, Mr. Phillipe Boullé and Mr. Ralph Volcere.
Numerous failings have occurred in the run up to the election and on polling day itself but two in particular are of special significance. These are vote buying by the Parti Lepep and the inability of the electoral authority to prevent infringement s of the law and the Code of Conduct.
Vote buying by the Parti Lepep has been widespread before and throughout the campaign period but particularly intense during the cooling-off period and on polling day.
Complaints of infringements, ranging from Parti Lepep officials campaigning during the cooling off period to assembly points where bribery occurred on polling, were not dealt with by the Electoral Commissioner or the police.
SNP Presidential Candidate Ramkalawan will join with the other two contenders to hold a press conference to address these infringements.
SNP Secretariat May 22, 2011
From SNP's website.
James Michel has been gloating and SBC tv gave him no less than 25 minutes for his different motorcades on Mahe, Praslin and La Digue. The make up of his support base says a lot: the ordinary person, mostly women, who are no doubt struggling to make ends meet. They appear to be OK with water shortages, with the high cost of living and couldn't give a rat's ass about our passport being given away or our land sold to foreigners. These are the people SPUP/SPPF have always depended on and they've always delivered. These are the people who decide OUR future. Scary? You bet! Allegations of bribery are well and good but I do not believe that the problem lies there. It's much much deeper than that. I see that the international observers have attempted to address of them in their preliminary reports. But these same things have been said before in previous reports. Now it's time for the opposition to flatly refuse to participate in any electoral circus until EACH and EVERY single one of these issues are satisfactorily addressed.
I voted for the opposition. However the problem I have with Wavel and his two other opposition presidential colleagues is that if they knew that bribery was going on on a wide scale as they alledge, why didn't they publicise this and pull out of the elections? Why did they keep going?Would their actions have been different if one of them had won? You cannot accept to keep playing a game when you know the rules are being broken and then cry foul when the game is over and you've lost. It's these inconsistencies with Wavel and SNP that at times I find it hard to reconcile with. Yes, we all know that Michel was using state resources and was breaking all the rules in the book. But if, as it now appears, it was on such a wide scale, we should have pulled out and let him go it alone.
When the process to reform/renovate SPPF 1987, creating of OU, the SNM/MPR in exile, the SNP in exile and later, the restructuring of SDP in exile and later DP in Sechelles/Seychelles, the several other parties which saw daylight after events of 1991 - we did not have the arrays of social networks which/to influence those issues, events and process. We have them today and the unimpressed quality/benchmark quality of results, impacts and outcome.
The planet earth, the Sun, the moon, the stars, the rainbows, the strom , thunder, lightining was not created by the Social Network - our ancestors studied, over thousands of years learnt to understand, manage and work with the powers that created/put them in place. A great deal understanding, grasp and practice of this knowledge had gone with the previous generation who has left us. The like of Mr Guy Morel, Mr Guy Lionnet others male and female.
The important question to ask hs this generation been given better and special powers/abilities with the Social netwrok - no.
We thank Mr Christopher Gill for starting Movement Sechellois/Seychellois Racine - having said those who know the Racine of our ancestral culture, heritage and practices - this is what the identity and values of a nation is all about. Mr Peter Gill was one of those who understood those values too.
There is the urgent need for everybody in Sechelles Seychelles to identify who are those in this generation that can/have the capacity of Mr Guy Morel, Mr Guy Lionnet, Mr kantilal Jivan, Mr Adam, the father of current Minister Adam and a few others to play and act like/as they did - beside the workability of the Social network.
We had trusted that all the current political leaders JA Michel, Phillippe Boulle, Ralph Volcer, Wavel Wankalawan and others would have grasp what wa driving the SENATE agenda for our nation, this generation and future. Help create a better political and democratic system for our nation, future generation - they have failed and been thinking of their own interests and concern.
We have a grave, serious and very pressing situation on our hand as far as Sechelles Seychelles future politic and democracy is concern.
Do not insult, read and think very hard all of you - we have not duty and need not have shared those insight with you or nobody.
If there is evidence of widespread fraud, something has to be done, before or after the election. Election day provided some evidence which needs to be analysed. We knew they were doing it for years. But this time it has been blatant, more open. Where SNP wins a district, the majority is wafer thin. PL needs to bribe ten voters to swing a whole district its way.
The law catches anyone who has received a favour (cash or not) before, during, after election to influence their vote. Does that include the likes of Barra and Alain St Ange, if it can be shown they received something from PL.
The young Seychellois who are saying they have voted for SNP according to their conscience put to shame those who have allowed themselves to be bought by PL. I find their postings on Facebook very moving.
Gappy was looking for Volcere. He did not realise Volcere was boycotting his declaration.
In these enlightened times, when the Soviet block is no more, when the Berlin wall has come down, when the Arab Nations are awakening with dictators being got rid of, we Seychellois vote for more of the same old 'Ghadaffi politics'. The only countries now that embrace this kind of politics can be counted on the fingers of one hand: China, Cuba and Venezuela. What do the the world think of us now: an intelligent or a stupid people?
The observers are happy with the way Gappy conducted the election on 19-21 May. They say the result is credible and reflects the will of the people.
I do not have a problem with that. What it means is that everyone who arrived at the polling station was allowed to vote in secret and the counting of votes was accurate. Gappy gets the all clear, although SADC has expressed concern about Dhanjee's disqualification.
They have made some critical remarks relating to democracy in the country and issues leading up to polling days. Lepep will ignore that, just like they gave ignored it before.
It looks like it's the women who voted for Lepep but not their kids or, where appropriate, husbands/ partners. We need to understand why.
Last night I posted a very long non-partisan general comment but it did not appear. Why is that?
As long as Gappy is Electoral Commissioner and Le Pep control the register they will ALWAYS WIN.
I am sick and tired of seeing my seychellois brothers and sisters insulting each other because of politics. Guys and gals, wake up, we are all one and the same. We had an election and one party has won. The vanquished should now work on how to deal with the next one. That is why we have elections. It is normal to have a winner and a lose(s). We all need to grow up and just accept the fact that we have to leave, eat, travel, pray etc together, irrespective of the party we support. today is Monday, everybody smile at every person they come across today. Should make you all feel good.
Cheers, a Very Happy to be Seychellois.
I was asked some time back when i commented that i will be voting for Ramkalawan as to why i would be doing so. The election results have given the answer:
1. The results show that despite all of Ramkalawan's shortcomings he is still very popular. And that is a man who does not have the machinery of state at his disposal, with slim resources he has gotten almost 42% of the votes.
2. SNP is the only 'organised' opposition party again despite all shortcomings was the only opposition party who did door to door and a semblence of organisation.
3. I am not exstatic by the results but it is commendable when one knows the amount of money poured by the PL in the campaign.
4. The way forward: Ramkalawan should continue to lead the SNP/Opposition. My belief was if he had reached below 40% he should go, but he has managed beyond that. In doing so he should out together proper party structures which would ultimately spill into campaign and mobilasation structure come election time. In same breath Ramkalawan must be more tolerant, transparent and democratic in mode of operation (this has been the main accusation of the recent resignations).
Vox
My contribution:
I partly agree with Vox in the sense that I one way feel that Ramkalawan has failed after losing 3 elections, but as Vox points out, teh man is still popular and SNP is still synonymous with Ramkalawan and vice versa so a change of leadership now will lead to SNP being declred dead and buried as many PLs want.
I hope that the election statistics will be an eyeopener for the opposition, especially the SNP where they see the potential in 9000 or so voters who couldn't be bothered to vote and bring those over to their camp within 2016.
RAM could popular by having 42% but one should look at figures in a scientific way. A survey should be conducted to find what percentage of voters actually voted for SNP because they like RAM and what percentage voted because they want a change in the direction of the country. Because we might be creating a cult figure and if suddenly something happens to RAM then the end of the party.In any eventuality i think Ram should step aside and let other to take the leadership. Mr Ram should be always be active in the party and he should take another another role within the structure.
The way forward for SNP is SNP's internal business, as is Wavel's decision to stay or go. My hope is that all this is sorted out as soon as possible so that we can focus on the national assembly elections around the corner.
The above comments are worth exploring. I did hear a lot of SNP's saying that their concern was to vote for what they thought to be the party who would more likely win the elections even if they thought Boulle for example was very good. Some even said that if Boulle was standing with Wavel as VP, Michel could be beaten.
We voted for SNP man! We are just voicing our thoughts so that our party can move forward to win the next elections.
I presumed that SNP supporters are political mature. Most SNP supporters i think voted for the party be not the man unlike LEPEP supporters who voted for the man eventhough he is incompetent and tragging the country as a whole to misery and to hell with all of his moral behaviours as a head of state. Ashamed on you Lepep because you are morally bankrupt as the country is bankrupt. We will feel your hardship but our conscience are clear because we are simple more intelligent than you lot as we know what is right and what is wrong. The culture of buying people with many will creat a Seychelles full of crime because those who do not want to work this money will dry up very soon and you will have to resort to crime to sustain you for another five years. Because as from today there will be no more entertainment by Lepep and back to selling of the patrimony, corruption, promiscuity in the civil services ans sexual favour for promotion. This is what you voted for and this is what you will get. garbage in and garbage out.
I called for a BOYCOTT because the Voters List is rigged.
No one listened.
I called for a BOYCOTT because Sheik Khalifa had put $100 Million into keeping Michel afloat over the last 6 months.
No one listened.
I called for a united opposition for 3 years, none of the three candidates listened.
Today, who listens?
I feeld sorry for SNP. They have no real leader and certainly no real party after this election that offers any hope to Seychelles.
NDP has been turned into a private business, they did not listen.
Boulle I warned him about diluting his campiagn appeal by going INDEPENDENT but as usual, he did not listen.
Frankly, there seems to be a big problems with our opposition leadership- they do not listen.
Time to move on.
Sesel Pou Seselwa!
Christopher Gill
Did anyone warn Christopher Gill about Christopher Gill?
Though we can agree that RAm still enjoy high popularity,the election has once again shown that he opted for the strategy that paved his defeat namely to participate in thie election though he knew it would be rigged thus he has no change of making a dent in the PP.He could has save his time and money by simply opting for a boycott.RAM is cut he is in a corner alone nursing the wound inflicted on him by tyrannt Michel.
A leader with strong conviction should have not rejected the end results but since all three have contested the results they should have call on their supporters to take into the streets and declared the election results as void.The only thing they did complain but without any follow up in practice.Is that they kind of leaders to bring about change when they do not have the capacity or willingness to fight for their own rights?
What RAM can do.RAM still as main Opposition leader nedd to havea joint meeting on next step forward outside his own party planning and post election evalution.All opposition parties need to meet and engage in joint dialogue in order to move forward as Opposition parties in this country despite different party ways.They must share a common goal to represent Seychellois and challenge Pp^s arrongance and out of touch policies for the people of Seychelles.opposition parties have to start thinking hard about their core values,philosophy,ideology and the commensuration approaches and actions i.e what do they stand for""beyond oppossing the incumbent?"",what is their stance on economic matters?what is their position on balancing individual rights with social order etc...?In short what they will do if they were the governement.
Over time the logic to coalesce around key socio-economic and political values will be apparent to the existing parties who constitute the opposition.
As a nation we have to be mature politically.This applies to the opposition parties too.They have been stuck in"childhood" phase for too long.
In this election SNP did go door to door but the thing is door to door must not be limited and done every four years solely to campaign for election it must be done all year round ,therefore be in touch with the people on a daily basis in order to understand their problem but also bring their problems forward and fight for their cause and turn faith in the opposition will grow.Opposition leaders must be pro-active and make their present felt on the ground and be part of the people in stead of asking them for the votes every four years than just after they all disappear into the woods to come out in four years again.
Jeanne D'Arc
No but he did warned all three candidates to boycott this sham election which they did not which had resulted in their humaliating defeat.He was the only guy who foreseen the end results.This in itself typifies the quality of leadership he possses,if those candidates would have listen to his advice they would have been in a different position today instead of living in disgrace.
jeanne DÂrc
Yep, Chris. You move on. I am not impressed.
all i have to say is this; " People get the Government that they Deserve! "
Reply to Yep,
I agree, we must move on.
We are now registering Seychelles Freedom Party to unite the opposition as one.
SNP should shut down. Politics of division has led to great failure.
Ramkalawan should go to England or Madagascar. He has cast is fate in bronze, let Seychelles have a chance.
Jean Francois Ferrari should follow through with his suggestion, that he go to Zimbabwe and plant bananas for the rest of his life. I wish you luck Jean Francois, in all your challenges.
NDP should retire, it has proven to be a poor promoter of Sesel Pou Seselwa and has shown to have a very shallow understanding of what we mean by Sesel Pou Seselwa!
Mr. Boulle will now see the logic of what I said to him 3 years ago: "no matter how good a candidate may be, the Seychellois public want to belong to a party and ID with that, hence why Independent candidacy fails all the time". This is also partly why I refused to accept Mr. Gappy's suggestion that I run as an Independent.
Seychelles Freedom Party (SFP) will be a party with a round table, all are welcome, and all can have a say in the direction of the party and country, but do not come to fill your pockets at our expense. SNP and NDP have proven to be the better place for that.
MSR will persue its case before the Appeals Court.
Sesel Pou Seselwa!
Christopher Gill
Jeanne D'Arc
I question your appreciation of Christopher's leadership qualities but respect it. Granted he may have certain attributable qualities where he could have valid contributions to make in the political arena, but he has a lot to learn.
He has made mistake after mistake in his attempts at having his documents registered to form his party and these mistakes were both, in concepts (his vision) and legal interpretation of the law.
I have been watching Christopher's progress since he started coming out again two years ago. I have watched him chastised Philippe Boulle regarding the Manifesto which Boulle put out, claiming it was his. I have watched him trying to hijack the SNP with his other associates because they supposedly controlled the purse strings, one day threatening, one day offering an olive branch, one day being condescending.
I have watched some of these associates deserting because they were embarassed by his behaviour and stance.
Just to form a party and say you are a leader is not enough to give you credibility, or moral authority over others. This I believe has got to be earned.
Christopher's opinions whether to boycott the elections may have been valid but not necessarily the right option and these thoughts have I am sure crossed the minds of all those participating in the elections although they may have chosen not to discuss it with Christopher.
The opposition may be hurting right now and the post mortem should not take too long for it is not denied that we need to take a close and realistic look at our options.
I have a very extreme view of what we should be doing but unlike Christopher I will not credit myself with being the originator of this view. I have read similar comments already. I think there should be a joint agreement to systematically boycott every major institution which impacts on the due process of ensuring our democracy, human rights in our country. This is not an easy feat and will need to be sustained with well coordinated actions. There should be a committee of the best political brains in the opposition camp assisted by a competent secratariat to enforce and put into effect these decisions.
While we may need a little time to nurse our disappointment, we should quickly get up and move, for the opposition is still a remarkable force to reckon with.
When someone is in bed with another, they need to be kicked in the teeth and lose them to know, they are sleeping with a horse.
You can tell them but they will not believe you..... because they are clouded with self worth.
All three (3) opposition candidates are guilty of this.
That is why they stayed silent until the very end.
Michel on the other hand, knows what he is. He knows where he comes from. He knows what he has done to come to power. So he knows he has to leave no stone un turned to keep power at all cost.
He does not dabble in self worth, he is obsessed with self preservation.
This election cost over $ 200 Million.
Wake up , guys!
Sesel Pou Seselwa!
With $200million he should have been able to buy the whole opposition but he couldn't. Says a lot!! So come on guys let's not be too disheartened...
Analize the results:
Check out the number of rejected votes compared to the percentage of voters for SNP/PL....!
DG
As long as the opposition vote was improving, you could make a case for Wavel Ramkalawan to stay as leader. With this result, we can see that the vote is starting to come down. The result by districts makes grim reading. Good win at St Louis only. No outright win at Beau Vallon but largest party.
Outright win for PL everywhere else.
SNP needs to do a district by district analysis of the results. There has been a 2-3% swing to PL in SNP marginals, enough for PL to win Bel Ombre, Anse Etoile, Les Mamelles, Mont Fleuri. Biggest swing was at Bel Air.
Did PL target these districts with their cash, or are the more affluent in these districts happy with the economic reforms ?
The only ray of hope is a drop in PL support in some of their strongholds in the south. Are they taking them for granted ?
Chris, you will not be happy until you are in charge of the opposition. You are dividing the opposition. As for votes for SFF, take your cue from the votes polled by NDP.
Don't you get it ? Opposition will not leave SNP. The leaders are not united but the opposition supporters are united behind SNP. That's what this result shows.
You are happy Michel won because you can claim it proves you right. I think this is disingenuous. You must be disappointed that opposition supporters are solidly behind SNP and that the result has given Ramkalawan's leadership an extended lease of life if he chooses to take it. In this result, the electorate has not given the opposition a clear message or a clear direction to take, apart from telling us that Michel is marginally more popular.
Boulle did better than Volcere, surprisingly. Who says you need a political party and can't stand as an independent ? Gill chickened out because he knew that come today he would be looking at only a handful of votes cast for him.
Gill's political activities are simply to give him bargaining power in his negotiations with SNP for a "united opposition". It is just political ambitions.
The political calculations have changed for these fringe political leaders. They can no longer blackmail SNP to "unite the opposition" or else lose marginal seats like Les Mammelles. Michel won outright at Les Mamelles, Mont Fleuri, Bel Ombre, Anse Etoile. DP's participation was irrelevant to the result. That blackmail tool has gone. The fear of losing 5 votes to DP and losing Les Mamelles to PL has gone.
In fact this result shows that SNP can now go into the national assembly elections alone, although it would be desirable for the opposition to show a united front to confront PL.
This is what happens when there is no commited leadership.You will get the same result or even worse if you have the same old players with the same old strategies playing the game of politics.
SNP leadership thought they could ride the wave based on the assumption that people have dearly suffered. One thing is for sure. The percentage difference between SPP amd opposition is small and the people who can make the difference seeks out for short term benefits only. This has to be an integral fact that has to be addressed to win them over. No one can change this social behaviour but work on it.
I agree to C.Gill. A new leadership should form immediately . Learn from the past mistakes.Leadership is a mixture of brain matter, wisdom, tactful and reaching out.
The leadership is about laying down concrete plans,strategies- starting with heavily contesting the election system at the highest level. Engage with the international bodies from the today. There should be clear goals. ..it should start with one small step.
Seems we are missing a point here. Albert Rene recognised this a long time and opted for a coup d'etat.
The size of our country and population means that who ever controls the resources of the state and namely the media-SBC, means that it is easy to buy people and manipulate the voting process to the advantage of the party in power. Mancham did this with his fancy fairs and won every time in seychelles
today, PL is doing the same. THE OPOSITION WILL NEVER WIN AN ELECTION IN SEYCHELLES UNDER THIS SYSTEM. Things are as bad as they could get, IMF ran-economy, corruption and incompetence at every level of government. When you find that people have consumed contaminated water and yet still voted for PL, this is the last straw. This is not the sign of a people voting for its interest. And yet the opposition candidates all said we should vote for out brothers and sisters of La Misere. WHAT??? Those fools would have taken whatever pittance thrown at them, dignity has no price and they certainly showed no pride in fighting for their rights. THIS EXAMPLIFIES OUR POPULATION AND WHY IT IS EASY FOR PL TO BRIBE AND BUY PEOPLE.
The opposition should boycott everything, Do not legitimize the sham democracy of PL. No assembly, nothing. Because after all, let's face, the opposition has just been a talking shop in the assembly and just given legitimacy the PL crap policies.
Sometime you have to fight fire with fire. The opposition has nothing to loose. Unless you have someone with the same financial resources as PL, it is useless forming parties or coalitions. I am sure it would PL and James Michel more if there was no opposition because they need the opposition to pass Seychelles as a democratic country to the world and to glorify himself. JUST GIVE HIM HIS 5 Like it is said give a fool enough rope and he will hang himself.
I have to sympathise with Khalifa. He has been done. No one at La Misere believes they have drunk contaminated water. It has been a racket to get money out of Khalifa.
Grand Anse is one of 2 or 3 areas where Michel's share of the vote went down. Boulle and Volcere did well there. Many La Misere residents affected by contaminated water may well have voted against Michel.
That's Grand Anse Mahe.
Chris,
I am please you accept the idea of forming a new party and I like this name,but I will prefer if you organize a meeting and let the members choose a name for the party,
Chris, I am a good friend to you and I think and totally agree that SNP and all the others must dissolve and include MSR and start afresh with new ideas and new leadership.
I would not be happy to see neither one of the existing leaders leading the new party.
I want all the the existing politicians in the opposition to stay in the background and train new leaders to take Seychelles forward to leave in a real democratic country.
let us live and learn how to be a strong opposition and good leadership.
Seychelles Patriot
The point about La Misere is that it showed the lack of will or desire-call it wnatever you want- for people to stand up and say enough is enough. I thought that with such a case, people would have arrived at a critical point and be united and refuse to accept the money and rather have their day in court. the significance would have been highly SYMBOLIC. This wold have send out a clear message to James Michel and to the rest of the population. But the ill-advised proposition to take the money and still leave court options open, showed Government was still in control of the process and that come what may, delo kaka or not, seychellois have a price. Until we get back our dignity and pride and put our interest first, PL will remain in power.
I admire Christopher Gill and he is certainly clever enough to offer a way forward. His ideas and insights are refreshing and original but I don't know if he represents the unification force that is needed.
The dilemma in seychelles politics is that we have people voting not on principles or ideas but on some vague notion that is characterised by fear of change and misplaced patriotism.
Even an Obama would struggle here because people are refusing to listen to common sense and ideas. A silent and passive opposition would be something that Pl would not be expecting. Sometimes you can achieve more through inaction. Just leave PL to run its show. No official participation in the national political process by the opposition would give people time to see for themselves what this party is about and let them self-destroy. The opposition can pick up the pieces later on.
we have had 20 years of opposition and parties and representatives-it has taken us no where. New and radical ideas are called for because PL is an animal that is not playing by the rules.
Did the David Pierre saga have an impact on this election? Many people have said he was popular amongst SNP supporters and this may explain the low turnout in some places.
Don't encourage Chris. He says we need just one opposition party, then he goes and start yet another party. Does he really expect DP and SNP to roll over and its leaders to join him, when he refused to support them ? It is pure opportunism. SNP has lost the election but it has not been decimated. There is no need for a new party, perhaps a refreshed leadership.
DP is now just a rump. It has lost its potential "king-maker role" for national assembly elections. It is not in a position to even bargain for a proportional seat in the next national assembly elections.
So, it is DP that is the biggest loser in all this. A lesson for Gill.
What an intelligent arguement from the bloger before the last one? These are the sort of scientific thinking that we need from people in the opposition. No doubt that the brain of the Seychelles is behind the opposition. We should have respect for all opposition leaders no matter their shortcoming afterall they are opposition. What we should do is to ask them to learn to listen the opposition supporters. If somebody do come into the open to support you that do mean that you should not listen to him or her.What SNP leadership should stop doing is what in psychology is term group think. That is if somebody differs with you as a leader that person should be kicked out of your party and the leader is surpose to listen to selective few. SNP need to have a culture of listening to all supporters eventhough not all of us are lawyers.The SNP party structure should be a democratic structure from top to bottom. If we can have a democratic structure within the SNP all our actions will be congruent with democratic principles. Remember in Seychelles there are a lot of young people who are more intelligent than David Pierre and i will reaffirm that him leaving the party has been a blessing in disguise. You cannot have people with divided loyalty in the party. IT was very possible that eventhough he was bragging in the assembly he was working for Lepep. A man without principle is not an intelligent man. Having first class university degree do mean that you are intelligent. What is mean is that the person has a very good I.Q. According to psychological definition intelligent is the ability of a person to adapt to new situation. This is what SNP has . A core supporter(42%) with intelligence and the party should try to nuture this asset which priceless and this group of people James Michel would never be able to buy. get these people to be fully engaged so that they can go down to the Lepep supporters to win them over five years before the election.
That is the problem with Seychellois politics. All we have is a bunch of self-interested and opportunistic individuals with little principles. And it is true that a nation gets the Government it deserves because our population is a bunch of ignorant zombies and morons.
Patriot,
Why should MSR be dissolved when its possition work, one must never change what works but perfect it to become better.I agree with you that those defeated by Pp should concider what you emphasized but not MSR.In fact all those that feld left alone by their party leaders for not being able to bring about change and fulfil their objectives becuase of fault tactics should rally behind MSR leader in order to biuld a stronger,serious,dynamic party with as strong ,alert,intelligent leader at its head.The quality of leadership of MSR leader has been proven on many occassions and that explained why PP found it necessary to not registered MSr as a party,harrassed its members,arsoned their assets and so forth.
Joint MSR the only Party with a leader you all can count on to make your voice heard and aspiration a reality.
La Misere reisdent were courageous enough to took into the the streets to make their voice heard something no opposition dare to do.Why did la Misere did not continue with their protest? well becuase there were no single political leaders who went on support them physically in the endevour.Ram i recalled saying he supported the action of La Misere residents but never turned up one single time on the streets on La mIsere to support them.I can asure you if La MIsere residents would have had the political and moral supports of politican they would have continue with their protest and might have resulted in a country wide streets protests and Pp would have been the past today.
jeanne DÂrc
Did David Pierre saga has an impact?Yes it did,you do not have to see it physically but the fact that croosinf floors took place it supposed that Oppostion was fractured within and that deligitimize their leaders in their preaching of being a strong opposition.When voters saw high offical desserting their party for whatever reasons ,it is not the reasons on which they are judge but their actions and that gives their supporters a feel of division nad let them in doubts.
Chris has never said their must be one party.This accusation demonstrate how many of us just do not get things right.Calling for unity among oposition parties does not meane building one party but to come together and find consensus among themselves that would make them more power in thier struggle.Unity is important especially when you have parties fighting a common enemy becuase team work is more efeective than struggling alone in one<^s little corner.If the opposition would have unite the opposition Pp would have been defeated not becuase the opposition would have won ,no in election organized by dictator there is no way of winning but they would have had pressured Pp into negociation or face streets protests making impossible for Pp to govern which would have left Pp with two options use violence or negociate.
jeanne DÂrc
JD
Whilst I understand your point about RAM not joining LA Misere residents I have to say that he showed good judgement there. After all, did people join the small bunch of protesters that were beaten up on the Assembly steps over the radio freedom protest?
Seychellois have been turned into cowards. It is not worth protesting because PL would just savagery beat up the few who come forward. I would certainly not do so because I know we do not have the strength of conviction to do nor courage. Until people like you and me-ordinary people-are willing to do so,willing to lose everything, then protest is not an option. If i am going to beaten up, Id rather it be worthwhile and count for something. As i see it today, it is not worth getting beaten up because our population do not deserve my sacrifice.
What an intelligent arguement from the bloger before the last one? These are the sort of scientific thinking that we need from people in the opposition. No doubt that the brain of the Seychelles is behind the opposition. We should have respect for all opposition leaders no matter their shortcoming afterall they are opposition. What we should do is to ask them to learn to listen the opposition supporters. If somebody do come into the open to support you that do mean that you should not listen to him or her.What SNP leadership should stop doing is what in psychology is term group think. That is if somebody differs with you as a leader that person should be kicked out of your party and the leader is surpose to listen to selective few. SNP need to have a culture of listening to all supporters eventhough not all of us are lawyers.The SNP party structure should be a democratic structure from top to bottom. If we can have a democratic structure within the SNP all our actions will be congruent with democratic principles. Remember in Seychelles there are a lot of young people who are more intelligent than David Pierre and i will reaffirm that him leaving the party has been a blessing in disguise. You cannot have people with divided loyalty in the party. IT was very possible that eventhough he was bragging in the assembly he was working for Lepep. A man without principle is not an intelligent man. Having first class university degree do mean that you are intelligent. What is mean is that the person has a very good I.Q. According to psychological definition intelligent is the ability of a person to adapt to new situation. This is what SNP has . A core supporter(42%) with intelligence and the party should try to nuture this asset which priceless and this group of people James Michel would never be able to buy. get these people to be fully engaged so that they can go down to the Lepep supporters to win them over five years before the election.
May 23, 2011 3:27 PM
There are 2 groups of people keeping PL in power.The elderly and naturalised foreigners. The numbers of Indians voting are unbelievable.Where do these people come from? During the 15 minutes it took me to vote, I counted 10 Indians.Like an invasive species, they are killing our democracy.Secondly, when someone reaches 63, they should give up the right to vote because after all they are no longer contributing economically so why should they influence the lives of people who are contributing? Just enjoy your pension. It makes me laugh when I hear these old parasites talking about moral values and how so much better they were than today's generation. Yet, these same decrepit church-going fools are jeopardizing the lives of their children, grand children and country by supporting a corrupt system of government because it gives them a pension. How sad.
SNP need to have a culture of listening to all supporters eventhough not all of us are lawyers.The SNP party structure should be a democratic structure from top to bottom.
I agree. You don't need to be a lawyer or mathematician to see common sense. James Michel was apparently a ticket seller at disco venues but he has the intelligence not to get involved in a TV debate and let people see him for the fool that he is.
SNP is maybe disconnected to the population and needs to reconnect. Wavel does not know if he wants to portray himself as a moral leader or street thug. Calling on the name of God and then using'yapapa'language is just confusing
change will not come, until we grow a pair. until then, i see no point of having a multiparty state. the government in power now controls everything. hence them being in power for this long. they will never loose and they know that.
Seychellois needs to get up and stand for their right. stop selling your rights and dignity for a few pennies and a loaf of bread for a mere day or two or even a week to a month. use your head and think beyond and further than your nose. because the mentality that we have now , is that we take a day at a time. never thinking of tomorrow until it arrives.
No Seychellois did not turned up to support RAM after being molested by Pp for many reasons:1)RAm as leader should have called on them for their support which he did not,2)Ram went on just after being punched down to negociate his compensation at State house with Michel.
Seychellois are not coward what they need is leadership.A leader they can trust,follow,dependent on with integrity.Would there be any attempt by the regime should there be protests Yes?,becuase that is the only tool usaully left for a dictator when he feel the heat.But recent history has shown that repression,and means thinkable to brutalize people just do not work when the people determination rises about fear.I remind you of some recent events:Mubarak brutalized his people for fourty years then suddenly the people put their fears in the bin and ousted Mubarak from power in note ( days,Ben Ali in less than two weeks,Gadhafi though not yet ousted has no power to any more to brutalize its people he is now hiding in a LAtrine hole for his life,Yemen president ,ptrotests have made the country ungovernable he also is about to fall,Protestin Maldive making thecountry ungovernable by incumbent etc.. etc...etc
There are important things to point out here concerning being beaten compare to twenty years where many countires only ignored the brutalities of didctaotors on their people,in this "1 century dictators are being monitored by western world and since the fall of Russina communism Dictatoras do not really have a place to run into hiding after their acts so it is not that easy for them to just brutalize their people becuase the risks of ending into the Interantional court is bigger and more real than ever.Last week Mr Obama has made it once again clear to all remain world dictators to the likes of Michel that if they use force,brutalize their people,refuse their rights to protests,use excessive force etc they will be made accountable.That in itself should be a warning to Michel and a notivation for us.We have interanational support from powerful countries as never before and we should use this support as precusor in our decisions and actions.
Jeanne DÂrc
change will not come, until we grow a pair. until then, i see no point of having a multiparty state.
TRUE. Our democracy is only in name. That is why the opposition should just silently boycott everything. Because after all, let us face it , it was not Wavel or anyone who brought democracy to Seychelles. SPPF COLLAPSED ONTO ITSELF UNDER INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE. with their russian and cuban allies bankrupt, they had no choice but to bring in this sham democracy.
Now, we should show the world this sham for what it is by NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS SHAM. if there is to be real democracy in seychelles, it would come from international circumstances. Like u say, I dont think seychellois people have the balls or maturity to fight for it.
People do not have the motivation to priest meaningfully. Like a PL supporter said they are satisfied with the little they have. And today, most people have a job, a place to stay and food to eat. These people are not concerned whether foreigners are invading our country, that our leaders are corrupt. These revolutions have been succesful in Arab countries because people had nothing to lose. They had reached rock bottom. But here until we have people who thrives on mediocrity, no protest would be successful. And what about the army or police? I bet you these thugs and goons are straining to be unleashed and when it will come to choose,they will obey their PL masters and betray their sisters and brothers.
motivation to protest- not priest.
I agree totally with blogger who posted at May 23, 2011 3:27 PM. I for one will be happy to help the SNP had they a democratic system in place. They do not have one. I am not prepared to sacrifice my principles and 'follow the leader' because he is the leader. We do not have a culture of democracy in Seychelles, the best way to start is by doing so within the SNP. We will be on the right track when one day we have more than one candidate fighting for the post for leader within the SNP, the loser falling in line and backing the victor to confront PL. This structure at risk of repeat will spill out in campaign and mobiling. Yesterday, i took my car and drove all the way up from south to north to vote in a district where i am still regsitered. Had i known i could easily have ferried another voter down to polling station. I did not because the SNP/Opposition does not have such a system in place. How many of us would have gladly out in 1 2/3 hours and Rs 300 worth of petrol for freedom?
Vox
Whilst PL goes about the election preparation like they are going to put a space shuttle in space (doing whatever it takes and leaving no stones unturned) the SNP thinks it can just rely on the dissatisfaction of people. THis is not enough. If you are going into politics, you should be prepared to work. Just look at Regar. I could write its content in a day. If the SNP was serious they should be able by now to publish a daily newspaper. SNP has to recognise that it should do more, can do more but sadly has not done so.
I agree partly with you but i i am not convinced that it would come from Interantional circumstances unless we decided to start the job ourselves.An example ,Lybian is enjoying a large support from theinterantional communities becuase they were the one who decided to move first.I Ivory Coast the elcted president and the people had support from Int.Orgaisation after the rejected the fraud elction by Bgabo and took to the streets after their action support came in resulting in the ousted of Gbabo.We must help ourselves first before asking help from others.Let us stop this African way of thinking which consist of believing that all our problems must be solve by others.Egyptian taught us a lesson which should be an example to us all namely fight for your rights when you have done so we will support you.
It is true that Pp dictaotrship after the fall of the communsist big brothers RUSSIA those satelites countries like Seychelles became orphan and in order to survive they started to use the trapping of democracy in an attempt to again legitimacy and aids from international communities.The reasons why they decided to hold elections and accept multi-party system for example is not becuase the turn democrates but it is a safe means to avoid coup D'etat or otther brutal means of being dispose ,it is a question of survival more than a change in comportment.
Jeanne DÂrc
Jeanne D'Arc
JD
one fundamental point. Do you believe we have the numbers? I back your arguments 100% provided the majority of people believed the same. But judging by the results and procession this weekend, i dont believe there will be enough people willing to put their lives on the line. Pl would just use the classic excuse of 'pti group fouter dezord' to brutally crush any uprising. the way i see it today is that the only to get seychellois people to protest is to pay them,; that is the futility of the situation.
I think one interesting way for Christopher Gill to test his theory is to start in the PL backyard and take over Praslin. I am certain that is he can turn this situation over, Mahe will follow.
They are many they need a leader to lead them.Many of us would have probably said the same for our young men in unifrom before Somali pirates harress us,but their proffessionalism and courage have proved us wrong.You know many Wolrd leaders including USA never beleive and even dreamed that anyone came remove Ben Ali or Mubarak form power becuase of the power thez had,they were all surrirsed by the motivation of these people and could not believe their own eyes when they saw Ben Ali and Mubarak running into hiding.
Pp will use brutality like all dictators do,but perseverance and dicipline will also prevail on wrong.And i think many of those especially in the military might even refuse orders from Pp to shoot of their brothers and sisters because they know today commiting crimes on one people is equal to facing the Interantional court and many would probably diserted rather them killing their people ,those who would follow orders of their master would be a handful of thugs who have nothing to loose becuase their existance depend of their master and their master survival is their own survival.
The last party of your post contradict your position "that they will not act"but for money they will,i must then conclude that is possible to get them mobilize depending on what they are offered back for their actions.You propose money ,i will porpose them freedom.
Jeanne D'Arc
I pointed out this money thing to show what motivates people in Seychelles today. People have put money above their self-worth, dignity, pride, freedom and country.These revolutions you mention were in their nature, spontaneous-they succeeded because no one expected people to rise up.If we are waiting to convince people to stand up for their rights, to get them organised behind a leader, i dont think it will have the same potency as people taking it on their own and saying enough is enough. We are far away from such a situation.
Will we still have an independent party, if SNP opens up the way some people are asking?
What if we end up with a James Mancham in charge ?
There will be more turmoil and splits in the opposition.
Are we mature enough ? After a leadership election, won't the losers run to PL in revenge ? Are we all in SNP because we believe in what it stands for ?
There are a lot of risks and I do not think the voters really care. DP has open leadership contest. Voters did not run to DP.
I am in favour of a party which has democratic structures and, for example, its leaders elected by secret ballot. In the context of Seychelles politics, we have to evaluate the risks to the party's existence and strike the right balance.
SADC observers have called for the appointment of an electoral commission to replace Gappy. SADC says the current arrangements are not consistent with SADC charter for elections. You did not read about that in Seychelles Nation today. Did you ?
News Flash - Joint Press Release issued by all 3 candidates unconditionally rejects the results of the elections.
5 more years of Michel waving his hands about as if he is trying to squeeze something and telling me about another "letid konpreansif".
5 more years of SBC and its second rate political disc jockeys insulting my intelligence.
That TV producer from the Welsh University of Twits can't contain his joy of 5 more years of crap.
We are an insane nation. Enlarge the asylum !
They might be able to accuse Ramkalawan of being a bad loser, as he was expecting to win. But not Boulle who will add credibility to the statement.
SADC observers have also criticised Gappy's decision not to allow local observers.
Yes ! i agree that we should elect our leader in a secret ballot and we need democracy from within before we speak of democracy. One cannot ask for something that he does not believe in. Contradiction is not a quality of good leadership.Wavel should learn that he should have had practiced real democracy in the SNP party. I suppose that it will not take him 34 years to democratise the SNP party.
What SADC said today they said it 20 years ago? But they also said that the election was free and fair and that there were major concerned that needed to be adress.
So my question is if there are major concern that need to be adresse then it was logical that the election was niether free nor fair.
I hope if there is a commission the opposition should ensure that who ever is proposed are Seychelloise with integrity.
Everybody agrees that SNP should think of the 42% of people and start boycotting all these undemocratic institution in that democracy of the dictator that Albert Rene had created and James Michel is continuing as Fidel castro Danny Faure is preparing to be handed baton. We have to work hard to make Danny Faure dream of becoming a president of seychelles only in his dream.
At least one thing is clear, whatever his shortcomings or faults, Christopher Gill saw this coming. We did not need SADC to come and tell us that the election process is flawed and that PL was basically buying the election. The evidence was all around us. So the question is if Wavel and all the other pretenders have allowed themselves to be suckered by PL, what does this tell us about them.
Boycotting this election would have brought more results. If Pl was contesting this alone, its supporters would not have bothered to vote and may be its majority today would be lower. But no, SNP ran a race it could never win and has now give credibility to Pl. SNP has not learnt any lessons-it has played in PL's hands. New ideas are called for and new faces.
SADC position is questable.How can it be fair and free when at the same time thez said there are issues of concern.How could it be fair and free when there is issues of concern SADC,it is one or the other but not both at the same time.Zou know many that invloved African we must be careful.There appreication for things are different from fopr example the Europeans or Asians.One example in Ethopian Elctions which had several Interantional observers including African Union all those Organisation concluded that the election was rigged with the onlY exception of African Union who concluded everything was free and fair,so you see the different of appreciation between an African where democracy is just a word with western world where domocracy is a norm.
Jeanne D'Arc
Seselwa!Michel give you Delo kaka you still vote for him Michel stol 2.5billion USA dollar from you still vote for him you dont have electricity and water you vote for him.Michel is destroying your beauiful island you sill vote for him what a dum head you are seselwa what left is for to eat shit than you will get it.
Social problem are getting worse crime are increasing day by day more young are getting in heroin and young women are selling there body on the street for a leaving and our passport those bastardo are getting and you still vote him,I think some of you who have been voting dont know what you vote for and dont know a lot about Politic because you don't see enough what around the world is going on for you to change regime.what seychellios are seeing only sbc shit tv.ALL this ass who vote for pp there are the one you on the street beking for cigarrette or for a beer come on Seychellios get real.
Now to all those opposition leader you are all weak Politicians and you did do you home work as opposition.How many time Gill has say let unite to get reed of communist.Boulle&vOLCER did not even get 3% vote.why opposition dont unite?Because there are all greedy for Power.As long as you Guys on the island not unite PP will continue winning every election.
The strugel will go on and on. Some Seselwa have a coconut head like there leader Michel.There dont see what is coming there way, for Seselwa as long as there leavig and benefiting from this regime its ok for them,there dont care a fuck what is coming in the future on the island it will be hard to digest after.
The appointment of an electoral commission is part of SNP's programme for government. I do not remember Gill talking about this.
Very good. SADEC should inform us how to address the major problems and what is their role in this matter in relation to other global players.
THAT IS WHERE WE START ATTACKING. WE ARE NOT SO MUCH INTERESTED ABOUT THIS DECLARATION BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW IT -15 years ago.
HOW DO WE SOLVE IT SADEC!
HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT IT SADEC!
SADC says the election result was credible. It has not said the election process was free and fair. They do not say that any more. In fact SADC is questioning whether the process was fair.
Credible means that the result is what those who voted wanted. SADC is confirming that 31000 voted for James Michel, and not just 16,000. Whether we like it or not, SADC has no evidence that those who voted for Michel were forced to do so. If anyone has evidence that anyone voted against their will they should provide it to SADC for their final report.
Seselwa!Michel give you Delo kaka you still vote for him Michel stol 2.5billion USA dollar from you still vote for him you dont have electricity and water you vote for him.Michel is destroying your beauiful island you sill vote for him what a dum head you are seselwa what left is for to eat shit than you will get it.
Social problem are getting worse crime are increasing day by day more young are getting in heroin and young women are selling there body on the street for a leaving and our passport those bastardo are getting and you still vote him,I think some of you who have been voting dont know what you vote for and dont know a lot about Politic because you don't see enough what around the world is going on for you to change regime.what seychellios are seeing only sbc shit tv.ALL this ass who vote for pp there are the one you on the street beking for cigarrette or for a beer come on Seychellios get real.
Now to all those opposition leader you are all weak Politicians and you did do you home work as opposition.How many time Gill has say let unite to get reed of communist.Boulle&vOLCER did not even get 3% vote.why opposition dont unite?Because there are all greedy for Power.As long as you Guys on the island not unite PP will continue winning every election.
The strugel will go on and on. Some Seselwa have a coconut head like there leader Michel.There dont see what is coming there way, for Seselwa as long as there leavig and benefiting from this regime its ok for them,there dont care a fuck what is coming in the future on the island it will be hard to digest after.
He does not talk about it because it should be normal porcess in a democracy,just as for the judiciary,National media,who will head Air Seychelles,IDC etc... in democracy the same porcess would have been used as SNP proposed at all these levels.
Jeanne D'Arc
It is up to the government and people of Seychelles to make the changes.
THAT WHY I DID PUT MY VOTE IN THE BIN.
SADEC CAN YOU PLEASE ORGANISE WORKSHOP or CONFERENCE ON GOOD GOVERNANCE- THE NEED FOR A GOOD ELECTION SYSTEM IN AFRICA-SEYCHELLES-ACCORDING TO THE SADEC-UN CHARTER.
THIS SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY FUNDING THE NEGOCIATION PROCESS TO IMPLEMENT THE AGREED ELECTION SYSTEM AND THIS WOULD BE AT THE CENTER and CONDITION FOR THE TECHNICAL AND DEVELOMENT SUPPORT.
WE CAN DO MUCH. We start with one step at a time.
SADC does not have evidence and will never have evident that those voters were forced to vote for PP becuase they were not forced but their votes stolen through manipulation of the registration lists by Gappy.SADC probably do not have evidence that foreigners names were added illegally on the lists and i can understand that they do not know enough about Seychellois society can figure out who is a real Seychellois Indain for instance with an Indain who was illegally registered on the list.The same will be the case if you put heeger a pseodo'Seychellois and St Ange in front of them ,they who not be able to figure out who is who.Thsi amy explain why Pp refused to have local observers and opted for SADC.
Jeanne D'Arc
This SBC is really Michel shit. Not a word in the radio bulletin on SADC comments. No interview with Gappy to ask him about the opposition of massive fraud in that election. SNP should look to get an air wave by approaching some private radio station in the region.
Media is powerful. Nowadays you get have radio station by using the internet. All of these are food for thoughts. Politics involve money most of the time one has to make personal contributions. Imagine if the opposition can collect R50 from the 23000 supporters per month and in five years we will have Rs69000000. With this money we will be able to employ committed people full time to work in their district and use that money all other political function. A political party is a business that should find ways to fund itself through various innovative ways.
My comment - like most others have said. DO NOT PARTICIPATE in the assembly election which Michel will call. BOYCOTT and let him run Seychelles himself with his party Le Fes. It makes no difference to us. We are giving him a mandate that Seychelles is a democratic country, which is not TRUE. We have always been a one-party state. So please please do not enter and let him rule Seychelles for another 5 years like he want and let the world know that we do not have true democracy in Seychelles. Like someone says give him the rope and let him and his parti les fes hang themselves. Seychellois my people will never understand the true meaning of Democracy, as some of them have never experience the real DEMOCRACY. If Christopher Gill is real in his appeal to help, my advice is make sure MR Gill that you do not cross the floor, because I fear that is why some people do not put their trust in you. We must seen to be firm and stick together, no matter how much money PPL is offering.
Don't you people have a life? Just do as I said, smile at the next person you come across. Stop the insults, the election is over and we need to move on. Insulting people who voted for Mr. Michel is not going to bring the opposition to power. You should focus on the next election. Just let it go damn it!!! Try writing about something less boring for a change.
Best regards, a seychellois brother who is shocked by the abuse that people are throwing at each other.
P.S. try to go to church and pray, you will see, it will do you a lot of good.
Good night.
THATS A GOOD IDEA
WE NEED AN IMPROVED ELECTION SYSTEM TO START WITH.AMOUNG OTHERS ..OR ELSE WE WILL ALL BOYCOTT THE WHOLE THING AGAIN..
Floor crossing among SNP members have helped SNP defeat.
Now that SADC has officially confirmed in directly that more or less the elction was rigged why is All those oppostion candidates not refusing Pp victory and boycotting the results.Why are they all murmuring behind closed doors and not acting and defending the rights.Some suggested that we need Interantional Support to make things move is SADC postion not an Interantional support?Where is RAm,Boulle ;volcere why not come forward now that SADC has supported their allegation that the election was rigged_?Is that the knids of leaders someone can trust and move things in this country when they do not have the guts to claim their rights_?Should not they be calling on their supporters to take into the streets and deligitimiyed Pp stolen victory?
Jeanne D'arc
Do we seriously believe PL will change the electoral system? Just look at the SBC/Attorney General/Need for impartiality debacle. It is there in the constitution but SBC is still being used to fool people.
The opposition need to realise that they are up against an animal in Pl who will do whatever it has to preserve itself. the playing field will never be leveled as along as Pl has control over SBC, Judiciary, ELectoral commission, assembly-IN SHORT THE WHOLE POLITICAL SYSTEM.
this is like starting a race with a blind fold on and your legs tied together. the only way is a boycott of the system. NO PARTICIPATION. And you know, this is so easy to do because there is nothing to do. What will PL do then? Will they dance to their own tune? who will they fool and insult in the assembly? and most importantly can michel bear this, especially as he is so keen to pass himself off as some visionary democrat. Imagine him on his overseas visits explaining how come Seychelles has arrived at such a state with no visible opposition and democratic political system.
To the idiot asking people to smile. Its sad people like you who does not have a life and who lives in fear of what people with a different view have to say. It is parasitic moron like who keeps Pl in power because it gives you things you do not deserve. people like you have to sell their dignity and worth for positions/a house/money because you do not have the competence to make a living through your own sweat. I will smile when VAT is introduced soon and the likes of you will be complaining to the heavens as usual.
SBC up to its usual quality reporting. listing the results by districts to show the heavy defeat of the opposition- what about opposition not accepting the result? is this not major news?
so you see wavel and friends what u are up against. continue to call for a level playing field and u will get the same results. u cannot deal with such people and system-DO NOT PARTICIPATE AND BOYCOTT.
NO Pp will not.Why_?PP is adicataotrship who came in power by force and it will not aprticipate in anything that would put its hold of power at risk.Just as elections,in a dictatorship elections are hold becuase it is helps to solve the problem of intra'regime conflicts which might otherwise unseated them.Elections and parties are used to counterbalnace the power of military beucase of its control of weapons which make it a potential threat,especially to dictator who has himself come to power by force.Same to elections thea are routiniyed-predicable and a much risky way for the dictator to demonstrate popular support or at least acquisensce thus deter challenge from within.
I think the Oppostion would have lots to do in order to force those changes be it the Elctoral Commission,media,etc...For example they could start doing that right now to insure that in four years we have a fair and free election.If these norms are not met the Opposition must make it clear that thez would not particiapte in any future election beofre things have changed.Thez have four years time to do that and have already SADC who in way has deligitimiyed Pp victory which is already an Interantional support that could be extended to UN,AU,European community etc...
I personally convince that many thingsd can be achieve if we have strong oppostion leaders that would continually pressured Pp for change with the support of Interantional support.
Jeanne D'Arc
What about opposition boycotting the results is that not a mayor news?No it is not beucase most voters who voted for the opposition have heard from their leaders.Boyccotting the results is okay but not enough.They should boycott the result in words but also in actions meaning sending thier supporters into the streets and for an opposition who won almost 42 percent of the vote even when flawed should be a reason to do anything to deligimiye Pp and make it impossible for Pp to rule.Complaining in the woods without actions won't change the result.In a democracy in such a situation any oppostion would have massively protest the result by words and by actions in order to pressure the regime.In Seychelles opposition leaders complain in their holes and do not react as if they also approve the method uses by the regime.
Jeanne D'arc
SNP should take a make-or-break push for a "level playing field" now. It is quite clear that it will not get 50% under current one-sided system. It is also clear that 40% or more will stick by SNP and not another party as the opposition. That's a sizeable opposition. David Cameron is UK Prime Minister with 36% of the vote.
Pull out of National Assembly immediately. Until new elections Wavel Ramkalawan will still be Leader of Opposition and we still have MNAs.
Announce that SNP will boycott next national assembly elections, unless demands for level playing field are met. PL can have a puppet leader of the opposition and puppet opposition MNAs but they will lack credibility. SNP will be the real opposition outside the national assembly.
Wavel came across as a sore looser. this is exactly how pl wants to portray him and he has been dumb enough for 20 years to fall for this crap.
sometimes we should not blame people for being ignorant and voting pl. maybe there is a lack of leadership. Seychelles is small,people come out and risk everything to support the opposition and for what? snp took their large pay packets when they could have refused. maybe people are thinking of themselves and taking whatever they can.
opposition figures have been abysmal failures. mancham when he returned had the support to end sppf's rule but what did the buffoon do? reconciliasyon nasyonal. this is like getting in bed with a snake. and wavel has also let people on numerous occasions. maybe people are fed up and have decided to stick with the devil they know.sad but there is no credible altervative.
That's only a small part of the story. After this vote, I do not think the Seychellois people care whether the loser is sore or happy. If people cared about morality, they would not vote for PL.
Wonder why Boulle did not participate in the Press Conference. I heard that he warned the others about giving the power to SBC to have editorial control over the contents of the whole thing. Looks like he may have been right because SBC has neutralised the effect of the press release....
one interpretation of this election result is that a lot of opposition supporters have been bought. But how credible is this argument?
When you support the opposition in Seychelles, especially if you do so openly, you are putting your job, career, security at risk. Pl is the master at victimising people. How long can we expect people to take this victimisation when they are not seeing any results but their leaders getting rich and building castles. Let us face it, snp leaders are rich today, with businesses etc. SNP may have reached the point of diminishing returns; it has peaked and is now declining.
Boulle comes across as too elitist. Parti Lepep would have a field day painting him as a 'gran blan' if he was a credible alternative. That is why they are leaving him alone and dishing their vitriol on wavel, he is more of a threat.
I totally agreed with the post for last beucase that is what have been the case in this country the failure to have strong and geniune opposition leaders.Pp is criticizing RAM but what does RAM do on his part NOTHING AT ALL.SADC offiacail statement should be a good point to discredit Pp victory .The problem is not Pp criticiying RAM it could have been the contary too but the passivity of RAM.Pp criticiye him he stay quiet which one can concider as true if he does not react,SADC confirnmed election fraud which means a stolen victory for pp,RAM comfrimed it in words but does not follow up with action.What does RAM want then_,is that the leader who wanted us to elect him_in the higher office?As you rightly put it if pp has survive so long is mostly beucase of the inactive,passive attitude of oppostion leaders in the first place.
Jeanne D'Arc
Hmm - 'En nouvo Sesel' which feels like the Dark Ages!!!
Peter Sinon describes these elections as the best Seychelles has ever had. I will qualify this statement as the best elections the SPPF/Lepep has ever had. He is right and that's thanks to Khalifa!!
From the idiot who says smile. There is a saying in english, it takes one to know one. So if you can identify me as an idiot, then lets be fair, you must be one too. By the way, in case you cannot read, I did make it clear that I am not being in favour of any party. You can shout abuse at me as much as you can but it does not bother me at all since I do not rely on politics to have a life. Get it mate. I have included my last post again just incase you did not rewad it properly,or maybe you are so idiotic that you qwill not be able to find it amongst all the insults that you and your friends have already written. (Don't you people have a life? Just do as I said, smile at the next person you come across. Stop the insults, the election is over and we need to move on. Insulting people who voted for Mr. Michel is not going to bring the opposition to power. You should focus on the next election. Just let it go damn it!!! Try writing about something less boring for a change.
Best regards, a seychellois brother who is shocked by the abuse that people are throwing at each other.
P.S. try to go to church and pray, you will see, it will do you a lot of good.
Good night.)
Good night once again
Peter Sinon should look in the mirror and talk to the idiot he sees in the mirror.By the way that is the words form the mouth of a commusist i guess he also think Coup DÊtat is a democratic act.
Jeanne D'Arc
That why Michel&co fear MSR!Because MSR are peoples with knowledge not like pepet show politicians like Ram.Can a PP donkey tell me were Michel get his A level?I think the only pen Michel can wright with is Ak-47.
En nouvou sesel!pou en sesel plir degrade demen e pliz mizer pliz crim.
Johnny
Johnny, you need to check your English and creole vocabulary, they are both appalling. Which school did you go to?
Smiley guy
Well you sound very much like an idiot because what you are writing is so much like the apologetic bullshit that Pl wants people to swallow-like move on, all is done and dusted, smile and go to church. 99% of our population to to some kind of church/mosque or whatever building they think they will find God and you know what? They then go and sell their soul and dignity and betray this country. People like you are like those who turned a blind eye when Hitler was murdering the Jews in Germany, pretending everything was ok, to go to church and smile. I dont care who you support there are too many people like you in seychelles sitting on the fence and smiling like an idiot.
for the last 2 weeks, during the election, the whole world was looking at seychelles. Why ? because William and Kate were there and everyone knew it. If you look at the internet trends and spikes, seychelles was in the top 20 for searches....All you had to do, was send a press release to the worlds media, with the heading of ``wills and Kate`` and mentioned to them that the opposition in seychelles was going to boycott the elections and that civil war was about to break out in seychelles etc, unless the elections were held on a level playing field... a real scare tactic...and that you advise that william and kate leave the islabd ASAP...that would have made michel choke on his porridge.. 2 billion watched his wedding..just a few days after bin laden was shot dead..the world wide exposure would have made michel undertake a fair election...
``will and Kate in danger in paradise from muslim billionaire ( khalifa )...can you imagine that headline...probably would have destroyed the tourism industry, however, would have highlighted the problems...In the past, organisations like the IRA, ANC, ETA used to plant bombs etc to hightlight their causes...we don`t have to resort to that...but the threat of civil war, and violence, like in zimbabwe, ivory coast, kenya etc, whilst the future king of england is in seychelles...would have been priceless...
Gill will need to renounce the MSR creed before being part of a united opposition. No respectable opposition leader can endorse the rasin/fabrike creed. It will have to be a credible renunciation. Otherwise SFF will be a fringe lunatic party, more a thorn in SNP's side than a credible threat to PL.
that last post-this is the kind of tactics that should be used. use the same dirty means to discredit the PL because they are certainly not afraid of getting their hands dirty and engaging in a street fight when it suits them. as along as we go on with this level playing field, there is no chance of anything happening. Who in their right mind would give up the only advantage they have. Certainly not james michel. so if he wants to keep his system, let us find other means to bring it down.disengage from the process e les zot fer zot bal e dans zot menm.
You see, you are really an idiot (1000x over. hoe can someone in their right mind compare what happened to the Jews with the elections in Seychelles. Your comments are not only insulting to the Jewish people but you clearly show a total lack of savoir vivre. Be careful, you might end up being the next target of the Mosad. O.k, sorry, forgot that you are an idiot. The Mosad is one of the most ruthless secret service in the world. They can come here without anyone noticing and take you out of the country. Think about it, being in an Isreally jail being water boarded or staying here and looking forward to the next election. I know, i write a lot of bull but that is what should be written for idiots like you. Now run along boy and go to sleep. it is way past your bed time. Let us do some serious work.
Remember, keep smiling.
From Smiley Guy.
I agree-what's up with the fabrike etc crap? Going by the same logic, Gill himself could be attacked for being a fabrike. after all he has lived a large part of his life abroad. whilst i admire a lot of his philosphies and ideas, this extreme nationalism wont get us anywhere far. we need to win the middle ground
I agree with Jeanne D,arc internationl country must be involved.
Just one thing,who many time we have say that Seselwa leaving abroad must have a right to vote.
Did any opossition leader fight for that or litsen?No.Because none of them was serious for change.
hoe can someone in their right mind compare what happened to the Jews with the elections in Seychelles.
You should come out of this church you are in and look around you to understand the comparison i made.Or perhaps your brain is too small to process the logic behind this point?
so allow me to explain and smile whilst you are reading this. It is the 'turn a blind eye' mentality' that I am comparing to what happened in Germany. It is the mentality that tells people to smile. A mentality that sits on the fence and encourages people to go to church because they need to absolve their guilt of staying silent, doing nothing and pretending that everything is rosy and sunny. It is such a mentality that has resulted in most of our beaches being given away, with arabs, indians and russians taking our land. such laissez-faire and looking the other way mentality is what allowed the jews to be murdered. I hope that when people like you understand what is happening it wont be too late and when you find that there is no church for you to pray in, in Seychelles, I hope you smile as you kneel in kalifa's mosque and make an ass of yourself.
By the way, I am off to bed as you suggested because i see that your arguments are getting rather pointless. mossad? I enjoyed the jostle whilst it had substance but since you are unable to put 2 and 2 together, i dont have time to explain things word for word for your understanding.
SNP HAS PULLED OUT OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
We don't go back unless we get electoral reforms !
I think the SBC coverage of the press conference was fine. The problem is they do not cover PL in the same way, applying the same professional standards of impartiality. They seem to know how to do their work properly (I assume even the one who went to the University of Twits in Wales) but choose not to be professional.
SNP will need to put together a convincing case for level playing field. We know the playing field is not level. We need to make the case convincingly. If the case is made convincingly (e.g. role of SBC and its relationships with PL government), it does not matter whether SNP should have withdrawn from the race before or during.
Chris was born a Seychellois before acquire an American pasport.He recEIve legal according to the law of USA.Is that not clear enough.Saying Seychelles for Seychellois is a fact my friend.What would be appropriate to you saying Seychelles ofr Arabs.MSR creed speaks for itself it is so true and powerful that Pp has done all in its power to avoid MSR participating in the election.We will not veer from what we think is right.Do not let PP think for you and tell you that MSR creed is wrong for it is an attempt to fools you.You know communists always think that they< are right and others wrong beucase in their ideology they are ther only one to think,decide,and know what is right and wrong at least according to them.Remember that the same Pp in 1976 use the same motto to chase the British out-it was true bakc thme and still today. MSr's creed is not a problem evne not to Pp but Pp uses it as a tool to brain washed weaked minds.criticizing others for not agreeing with them have been always part of communism ways of doing things do not be surprised if pp ever tells you the world is flat STALIN one of their mentor did beleive the world is flat though all the physical proofs.
Comparing what happened in Seychelles with nazism can only come from someone with poor understanding of history and that could be dangerous if it was not stupid.He is probably part of the Pp shism that is driving the nation back in time.
Jeanne D'Arc
SBC today remains the largest problem in Seychelles. If people are being taken for fools and taken for a ride it is because of the SBC and those working in it are as much guilty of the travesty going on today because they are silently betraying this country. I admire more the prostitute in the streets-at least they are answerable for selling their own bodies but sbc staff are selling their dignity and helping to keep the people oppressed.
It seems to me it is now after the dfeat that SNP take seriuosly all what MSr leadership was telling them to do,After this painful defeat they probably relaise that Chris was plain right for the starts,and if they would have follow his views thing would have been different.They are doing what they should have done before the election but the one positive thing about it is that at least they are starting to realize that other advices are always good to take.
I would nevertheless support their move but i hope also it will frimed and they fight to their last bullet to deligitimize Pp.The fight must start now and if SNp is seriuos we will support them.
Jeanne DÂrc
Pulling out of the National Assembly will force Michel's hand about National Assembly elections. Let's see how good he is thinking on his feet. He is used to working at his own pace and to his own time-table. Let's see how he reacts.
If he thought he could get this election over and it will be business as usual from Monday, he will have to think again.
Do not under-estimate the lengths Pl will go to put a cloud of legitimacy over the political process in Seychelles. These people are vicious and dont be surprise if they pay some opportunists just to set up a party and run against their candidates. End result-it was democratic election!!
the opposition needs to understand what it is up against and prepare for every eventuality.
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