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29 March at 08:15 · STAR SEYCHELLES BLOG  - Well, this is a very pertinent question! For sure they will be buying all the votes they can this time around! The question is how do we stop the 'Fabrike' voters to vote. There are several of them who hold an ID card and they are 'allowed' to vote by the sppf. The key is to weed them out.

As for our bros and sis, it is sad to say that most of them have been indoctrinated into this communist mentality, where they have to rely on handouts. We have to eliminate this type of mentality. A lot of them cannot think for themselves. They do not see beyond a rice cooker, a fridge, some fey tol or bags of cement! They do not see that the manipulative housing policy is timed around elections to influence votes. As long as we have people with such a mentality, we will be digging a deeper grave for this nation. We will be heaping more disaster on the backs of our children (who are already heavily loaded for the next 15-20 years.

We need a rejuvenation in this country. A total change of mentality. Bring back strong moral values. We need to liberate the hearts and minds of our fellow brothers and sisters. They need to know that there is a better alternative out there and their motherland deserves better. In other words Alan, we need to educate them for the better. Encourage them to take the money if they can't resist. BUT do what their conscience has been telling them for a while now. Get rid of the monkey off their backs! Vote against them. Soon they will not be able to use their victimization tactics anymore as those who are being victimized will take matters into their own hands... beware SPPF, you have been warned!!!!!

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Selselwa4Ever said...

That is the problem with sppf-voting seselwa...they have been indoctrinated for so many years that "in Africa people are starving and we in seychelles at least weve got some rotten potatoes",a house to live in,whilst africans live on the streets, free education whilst africans cant go to school. this is what I call uneducated thinking. housing,free education, free healthcare, food, safe water,roads,jobs etc are all the basic jobs the government are supposed to provide to us...but what about seeing further than these basic survival commodities? thats the problem with these sppf fanatics. They are quite happy to lose their voice in freedom square then go home in the evening and ask the neighbour for a couple of onions or hunt for salt around the whole island the next day. They need to be educated to see further than Liquifruit, Kraft cheese, rotten potatoes, apples,and onions, sour oranges, hard pears, smb salty burgers and sausages, melody milk etc etc.

Anonymous said...

The Fraud is in the voter list. There you will find Fabrike's that have become citizens under GOP and bought passports for $25000.00. They took the extra step and registered themselves to vote.

Fraud will be on the streets, in the baka blubs, where zone leaders, will buy ID cards for 500.00 per card, or credit for baka. In exchange, they will have to be escorted to vote. Then after voting, given another 500.00.

Only united and proactive, can the Opposition defeat this.

There is more.

I will highlight later.

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

Frauds in election could take different forms from ;pork barrel,impersonation, fictitious votes,faultry registrations,noncitizen,extra ballots,election day interference,uncounted ballots and votes,unprocceded registration cards to name a few.

In reality, it is quite difficult to monitor frauds in an election.
But one of the most effective process to date in order to minimize frauds is to have international observers monitoring the election.

That alone is not enough though ,the best process would be to bring awareness to the voters and ask them force the governemnt to conduct faire elections.

Jeanne D'Arc

Leonard Francis Gill said...

The Rasin-ist Creed has approved by The Mouvman's Leadership Committee and has been published on Mouvman Seselwa Rasin's Facebook page.

It contains the basic princiles of a Rasin-ist and of The Mouvman.

Seselwarasin@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Christopher my good Man,

Tell me, when are you going to stop taking the Seychellois Voters pou Kouyons?.

What you and Francis should be doing at this point in time, is to engage your AFP Journos and others in highlighting the demise of General Fonseka who has been incarcerated since the last Election in Scri Lanka. A delegation led by the Leader of the Opposition should meet President Michel with a reccomendation demanding the release of General Fonseka forthwith.

Chris, make yourself useful for once instead of making a bloody nuisance of yourself. Like I have said before, Seychelles is the only Country where the Government Critics like yourself/Leaders of the Opposition are not langushing in jail or under House Arrest.

And Francis, look what is happening to South Africa as a result of conflicts created by Racists under the guise of identical "Mouvman Rasinist" that you and Chris are espousing.

Bloody shame on you both. Calling our Seychellois Legends "butchers" will not get you anywhere except create the kind of animosity that may well haunt us all for the rest of our lives.

And then you have the odacity to say how you lovvvvvve Seychelles!.

Go get a life pleeeeeease!.

And TIKLO says to Seselwa4Ever...why would I eat all those junk foodstuff you have mentioned when I can eat fresh fish everyday to lower and stabilize any high levels of cholesterol?. Abe nek nek nek nek nepi kan ou ti abitier bez manz pear ou nespes Grandzar?.
Bez en la paix dan ou lekor ou osi silvouple...
And last but not least, in regards to "the fraud in the voter list", please put up or ship out Chris Gill. Don't feel so bad.

My kind regards to you and your family....TIKLO. And if you see my Mate Doctor Popip Sik up Lanse Lafarin way who by the way is an Par Excellence Ti Kreol, please give him a hug for me and do have a yarn with him as to the way of the world. Also tell him that Dave Afrosquash and the Gratercastrol sends their regards.

Again, Chow for now and make sure that he does not run over you with his SR5 Zouk Machine rust bucket.

Selselwa4Ever said...

TIKLO you officially have dementia alzheimers and VCJD. I suggest you go overseas and get urgent treatment as you are living in a coo-coo land just like your "Seychelles Legends" aka butchers. I for one would vote for Chris if he decides to be a candidate. He has more vision and plans than any of your coo-coo leaders in sppf! most of them are uneducated fools that carried guns and ruled by fear and violence. Get a grip of yourself and come back to the real world. Fish is indeed very good for your health and brain (since you havent got one). Time will tell when the explosion of diabetes, heart disease, tooth decay, high blood pressure hits todays generation from these high fat, high salt, high sugar processed food SMB has been feeding the nation for decades. I advice you keep a close eye on your children as they will fall from ill-health created by your Butchers.

Seselwa4Ever

Anonymous said...

TIKLOLOR:

Was France Albert Rene's 'Sesel pou Seselwa' back in the days less racist than the Rasinism the Gill Bros promote? Were his views on tourism as a main source of income also not an act of racism or was that said intentionally to keep the people thinking that the self proclaimed father of the nation would save them no matter what? It is amazing how you keep trying to divert the subject by comparing Seychelles with other nations like Sri Lanka and South Africa. The prior has just ended(at least for a while) decades of bloodshed whilst the latter led an apartheid policy for many decades and consists of many tribes and groups like Zulu, Ndebele etc. Comparing Seychelles with those is like comparing your great hero Rene with Christopher Gill as Rene is no match to Gill when it comes to honesty and true patriotism to his country. Your hero was a patriot till he got power and his patriotism ceased in favour of greed and corruption.

I have previously said that Rasinism can easily lead to racism in the hands of the wrong individuals. The Gills have repeatedly said that their intention is not racism and thy seem to have convinced many Seychellois which ahve given them their support, myself included although I still believe the word 'Rasinism' can be misinterpreted and believe that little can be done with those who have purchased citizenship legally in a banana-republic which ours is on that front sorry to say.

Now why should you be asking Gill to get a life for stating his opinion? At least you differ from your hero Rene who instead of asking his critics to get a life chose instead to take their lives, hence forever being remembered as a butcher. Nothing more, nothing less. I do however find it hard to believe that any friends of your have anything 'excellence' about them. If they did they certainly would not be associated with a vagabond like you.

Patrick X

Anonymous said...

Tiklo has concern of his retirement when RASINIST will take over.No panic Tiklo you will continue to pocket your devaluted rupee (it is stipulated in our constitution).But hence on one condition that you accept the RASIN rehabilitation program.Not quite a fair deal,isn't it Tiklo?

Tiklo, it's high time to be on the right side of history, pluck up your courage man, free your mind from those SPPF wicked thoughts and you know what! there is a revolution in the offing it is for real folk.

Jeanne D'Arc

Leonard Francis Gill said...

Patrick X: We Rasin-ists welcome you and thank you for your support and your on point comment. With your sharp eye added to others there will never be any risk that Rasin-ism will be abused to discriminate against any race of people - ever. We are simple for Sesel Pou Seselwa.

Seselwa4Ever: The STAR team thank you for your inciteful comments and sharp wit.

Jeanne D'Arc: Your comments are as crisp and relevant as ever.

All of you are fine examples of Seselwa Rasin whose team work based on strong individual effort is what will remove the PP Collaborators from power and bring them and people like TIKLO's friend Rene the Butcher to justice for his crimes against the Seselwa Rasin people - their own people.

Leonard Francis Gill said...

TIKLO:

You say we should concern ourselves with General Fonseka's well being in Sri Lanka. We Rasin-ists say we must concern ourselves with murderers like Rene the Butcher and others who have butchered their own people - the Seselwa Rasin people. We must concern ourselves with bringing these murderers to justice for their crimes against their own people before we get involved in correcting injustices committed in other countries.

TIKLO why do you have such compassion for General Fonseka and not for your own people, the Seselwa Rasin, who have been butchered by your friend Rene the Butcher?

You say Rasin-ism is like the racist apartheid movement in South Africa. This is more PP Collaborator propaganda designed to hide their collaboration to sell out their own people for a few Rupees. The racist South Africans wanted to exclude black South Africans from power. We Rasin-ist include, protect and defend all Seselwa Rasin of all colors from being sold out to foreigners and Fabrike by the PP Collaborators. If your definition of racism is the Seselwa Rasin people standing up for their rights, then we are racist. If your definition of racism is opposing selling our our country to Fabrike and foreigners who bribe the PP Collaborators to be above our laws, then we are racist. If we are racist so is almost every country in the world whose citizens insist on protecting and defending what belongs to them and who insist on democratic accountable government.

And by the way, your legend in his own mind, Rene the Butcher, was also a Rasin-ist in 1964 when he and my late Father started the SPUP, until Rene the Butcher figured out he could put more corrupt Rupees in his pocket by selling out his people rather than defend them - now he is just the Butcher rather than a patriotic Rasin-ist.

Anonymous said...

Come on now Francis,

TIKLO is not talking about the SA Apartheid era where my very good Friend by the name of the late Mickey Mancham was considered as a color-bar....meaning he did not get accepted or pass as a white man.

You might like to know that in less than 24 hours after the Coup d'tat, FAR sent Sir James' Friend Kasshoogi the Arms Dealer packing and the next one told to piss off was no other than the South African Airways.


By all means Francis, I am talking about your style of Rasinist madness rearing it's ugly face in SA that resulted in the brutal political assasination/murder of Monsieur Terre Blanche. Terre Blanche might have been tainted with Racism slurs, but Terre Blanche was the Key figure in getting the other Legend in his own lifetime in Nelson Mandela not only freed from Robin Island, but Terre Blanche made sure that Mandela never got assasinated by the Zulu Radicals.

And by the way, the Seychellois Fonseka Families originally came from Ceylon like the successful Weber Brothers and as Par Excellence Seychellois, we should be able to demand that General Fonseka and his families are given political asylum in Seychelles in the same way we accepted the Afif Families when the Maldives were in turmoil.

And Patrick X....FAR's Sesel pou Seselwa meant that "any decisions we take, are our choice between alternatives taken be us Seychellois and not Whitehall."

Anonymous said...

Ton Klo

That is exactly also what the Gills are saying:

'any decisions we take, are our choice between alternatives taken be us Seychellois and not Arabs or any other country's top leaders'

What Rene did however, after getting power, was to change the 'we','our' and 'us Seychellois' with 'I'. Because during his reign of dictatorship there was never any other decision than his own that mattered.

The wayt I see it now the Seychellois as 'we' still don't have a say when it comes to certain matters like for instance the Khalifa saga that has proved to be an ugly rip in the nice red paint of the PL. You know, with our saline climate that rip will soon start to develope rust Tiklo unless it is thoroughly sand grinded, sand-blasted, primed and repainted.

Patrick X

Leonard Francis Gill said...

TIKLO:

Your reference to South Africa is once more hidden behind walls and camouflaged by inarticulate ambiguous positions. Is that just simply a matter of habit? Perhaps it has not occurred to you that you can make a straightforward and clear argument - you are after all appearing anonymously.

So I am unsure if your reference to South African racists, who have a similar ideology as we Rasin-ists, is a reference to TerreBlanche or to the African National Congress. If you are referring to the African National Congress, I do not consider them racists nor does most of the planet consider them racists, even though they practice their version of Rasin-ism in South Africa.

The black South Africans have now implemented laws designed to give them a fairer share of the patrimony of their country - most of the world does not call them racist for this - they are instead called patriots. When the ANC was struggling to have a say in ruling their country, they shouted, "one settler, one bullet", most of the world called them patriots and supported them with sanctions against the apartheid government; which Rene the Butcher's government helped to undermine by shipping illicit oil shipments through Seychelles to apartheid South Africa - another example of Rene the Butcher opportunism and PP opportunism. We too in the Mouvman Seselwa Rasin are fighting for what rightfully belongs to us - we are therefore patriots not racists.

Moreover, racism requires some kind of discrimination. Whom do we discriminate against? When you tell someone that what they are taking does not belong to them, you are a patriot not a racist - we Rasin-ists are telling you PP Collaborators that you cannot sell our country with impunity and that we will stop you, that is the actions of a patriot. We Rasin-ists are telling your Fabrike friends that the Rasin homeland does not belong to them, it belongs to us; that is a mark of a true patriot not a racist - especially since we tell Fabrike of all races that our country does not belong to them. We Rasin-ists tell the PP Collaborators and the foreign friends who bribe them to be above our laws that everyone in our country should be treated equally before the law; that is the mark of a true patriot, it is not racist. We Rasin-ists are instructing you PP Collaborators that you cannot stack our electoral rolls with your Fabrike friends so you can use their votes to claim fraudulent election victories; that is the mark of a true patriot, not a racist - especially since we say that Fabrike of all races have no right to vote in our elections.

So in short TIKLO, you believe that if Rasin-ists defend their rights in their homeland they are racists. That is a nonsensical argument, and is only intended to create conditions to allow you opportunistic PP Collaborators to sell out our country to Fabrike like Ramadoss and to foreigners like Khalifa so you can put a few extra Rupees in your pocket at the expense of your own people - the Seselwa Rasin.

We Rasin-ists will fight for what is ours no matter what you PP Collaborators do or say - that is the mark of a true patriot.

seselwarasin@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

To Francis Gill ki enkor bien entete...

ANC bans hate anthem by calling all members to stop singing the controversial song "kill the boer" -[the farmer]- that has been blamed for the slaying of Eugene Terre=Blanche.

Mr. Terre Blanche's extremist Afrikaner movement - comparable to the Gill Brothers Rasin-ism Mouvman - blames ANC Youth Leader Julius Malema's singing of the song "kill the boer" for inciting the killers.

The ANC said that President Jacob Zuma had ordered Mr. Malema not to sing it and TIKLO asks why such a directive against your Youth Leader now?. South Africa has not been well since 1994 when the West and the African Nations including Seychelles brokered the handover of the country to the African National Congress led by Nelson Mandela. Celebrations and joyous triumph of reason and goodwill that reportedly ended apartheid almost immediately made way for untold hardship to all South Africans to the extent that the country has become another African hard basket case.

Terre Blanche is just about the 3200th farmer to be murdered in the most despicable way since 1994 and not to mention the 20,000 plus other murders committed annually in the most heinous ways.

As for the hopes that the Legend in his own lifetime Mandela in playing a reconciliatory role with the fast approaching World Cup in June, one fears for the worst as the South Africans endure the pains of the process and with fools like Malema singing songs of killing "the boers" and spoiling for a fight, the situation can only get worse before sanity prevails.

So Francis, who is composing and who is going to sing your Rasin-ism song?. I guess the title of your hate song will be "Debout tou RASIN...in ler pou deport tou san ban FABRIQUE?."

Anonymous said...

TIKLO says sorry Francis because the line should have been "debout tou bann Patriot Rasin...in ler pou deport tou sa bann Fabrike kinn fer tou nou bann MNA vinn koronpi avek bribe."

Doctor Popip Sik will be happy to oblige with the Music Score.

Anonymous said...

Reply to Tiklo-

Seselwa Rasinism is not racism as you attempt to infer the divisions of South Africa upon us.

We are not anti foreigner, we are pro foreigner investment, but not under the hands of corruption Tiklo.

We are pro Seselwa, and seek to secure Seychellois interest in Seychelles. The onslaught is coming upon Seselwa Rasin, nopt South Africans in Seychelles Tiklo.

Eden Island has been given unfettered descretion to do what it wants in Seychelles. Apartments have been sold in timeshare, as much as 10 families own one little hole and all family members have been given residency. In 5 years JJ will make them citizens. Where will the Seselwa Rasin, whose roots go back to Independence run to TIKLO? Run up the hill to La Misere, where they will meet Khalifa?

Michel's policies have made us boys and maids. The very thing we fought against under the last hours of British rule.

Tiklo- check the batteries.Do not forget the reply regarding SBC systematic obstruction of divergent views being aired. I am waiting for your answer.

Christopher Gill

Anonymous said...

To Chris,

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Anonymous said...

FRAUD DETERRENT IN ELECTIONS

One key feature in insuring the integrity of any part of the electoral process is a strict chain of custody.This goes from monitoring central tabulation to the final voting process.

Let us detailed some of features.

CENTRAL TABULATION
To prevent fraud in the central tabulation there has to be public list of results from every single polling sites.This is the only way to prove that the results they witnessed in their election office are rightly incorporated into the totals.

Furthermore,various form of statistics can be indicators for fraud namely;exit poll which are very different from final results,high number of invalid ballots(overpolling/underpolling),and so forth.
To be noted,these methods can only be effective when voters show their honesty.

VOTERS REGISTRATION CARDS AND ACCURACY OF LISTS
Voters reg.cards are used to determine who can vote on election day.This list must be accurate and protect against tampering.

Thus,to minimize tampering there must have registration cards for instance with,serial number,digital fingerprints or photograph and these appear also on voters list.

ENSURING ONLY ELIGIBLE VOTERS REGISTRATION
Parties an candidates often go to great lengths to ensure that their supporters register to vote.They may offer incentives such as transportation to registration sites or promises of benefits.Others go so far as to encourage people to register in a district where they do not reside.

ADDITIONAL
Vote of non citizen ,felon vote absentee vote fraud,voter caging and purging,impersonation,electronic vote fraud,dead people vote etc..etc and etc.

MONITORING VOTES
Monitoring of voters registration by well-organized number of both national and international observers as well as political party monitors,student association,even religious groups is an effective deterrent to the types of fraud and manipulation most common at this phase of electoral process.

HOW THEY FUNCTION?
They collect information from their observer teams,analyse the electoral process,assess the quality of the election and publish their findings.

There activities foster transparancy and accountability on the part of the electoral administration.Thus help to instill public confidence in the integrity of the process.

RUN AN EXIT POLL
Exit poll has proven itself in the last elections in Zimbabwe and Kenya.An exit poll is easily done on a local level but it is much harder to do on a national level.In order to get the best results,an exit poll should be taken at all voting districts and sites.

To conclude the best way to protect the election process from electoral fraud is to have an election which is tansparant to all voters from monitoring of candidates through casting of the voter and tabulation.

FOOTNOTE
Voting is a right,has anyone committing vote fraud is committing a felony,SPPF.

TROUKLER

Anonymous said...

In any proper democratic society, the voters Registration list should be made available for public viewing during working hours at the Electoral Commissioners office. It is our responsibility to periodically inspect this register for inaccuracies and expose fradulant listing of voters in this register.

It is important that this very important piece of information is always readily available for all to see and vet.

I will leave it to your imagination as to why this information is not readily avilable for all to see.

Leonard Francis Gill said...

TIKLO:

First you say Rasin-ism is like the political philosophy of the African National Congress. Now you say we are like Eugene TerreBlanche's Afrikaner movement that wanted to establish a separate white homeland. Which is it? Are you saying we are like both?

We have never advocating murdering anyone. We have never advocated deporting all Fabrike. We have instead advocated that all current Fabrike residents be allowed to remain in Seychelles as investors under an investor visa, if they have not violated our laws and if they have not voted in our elections. For those Fabrike who have not violated our laws, and who have not voted in our elections, we have taken Patrick X's advice and included a humanitarian waiver in the Rasin-ist Creed that will allow them to petition a Rasin-ist government for a humanitarian grant of citizenship. Then, if the petition is approved, it must be submitted for a majority vote by all Seselwa Rasin who must approve the grant of citizenship. This is how we Rasin-ists treat the Fabrike issue.

But all this is in our Creed if you bother to read it before criticizing its principles.

Anonymous said...

Can Gappy explain why the computer voting system that he once went to India to check not good enough for Seychelles. The simple answer is that it is more difficult for frauds. This issue should be brought up before the next elections.

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