Economic Reality in
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ADDRESS BY:
CHRISTOPHER GILL
TO THE SNP CONVENTION
AS AN INVITED SPEAKER
NOVEMBER 8TH, 2009
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INTRODUCTION NOTE:
I COME TO SPEAK TODAY, ON INVITATION OF MR. WAVEL RAMKALAWAN.
I THANK HIM FOR THE
THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO OPEN MORE DIALOGUE IN THE OPPOSITION!
I COME BEFORE YOU, A SEYCHELLOIS, A FATHER, CONCERNED SERIOUSLY FOR THE PROBLEMS OF
TO FACE THE FUTURE, WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT WITH AN OPEN MIND TO SURMOUNT THE CHALLENGES! WE WILL HAVE TO CALL ON ALL DP SPPF SNP TO BRING CHANGE IN
1. WHAT IS OUR REALITY TODAY
TODAY, SPPF- PP ARE TELLING US WE ARE UNDERGOING AN “ECONOMIC REFORM”.
EVERYWHERE YOU HEAR PHRASE “ECONOMIC REFORM”.
MICHEL HAS TOLD US THE REFORM IS A GREAT SUCCESS.
MICHEL SAYS THE WORSE IS OVER.
BUT MY FRIENDS OF SNP, THE WORSE IS JUST BEGINING- AND IT WILL NOT END, IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW MICHEL AND PP. TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH
REMEMBER THE STRATEZI 2017? 10% GDP EVERY YEAR. THIS YEAR IT WAS PROJECTED TO BE -10% AND POSSIBLY, IT WILL NOW BE -8 %.
REMEMBER WE WERE TOLD BY MICHEL THAT WE PAID OFF ALL OUR DEBTS AFTER HE CAME BACK FROM VISITING THE POPE?
NOW OUR DEBTS ARE BACK UP $850 MILLION AGAIN, AND WE ARE
NOT REPAYING IT.
OUR SITUATION IS VERY SERIOUS. BUT MICHEL AND PP ARE MAKING US BELIEVE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK .
WHY DO THEY LIE?
BECAUSE ELECTIONS ARE NEAR.
WHY DO THEY SAY REFORM?
A. IN SEPTEMEBR 2008, WHEN SPPF WAS WIPING OUT OUR NATIONAL RESERVES TO PAY FOR FUEL AND OTHER THINGS
AND
IN THE LAST HOURS OF SPPF’S CRAZY ECONOMIC POLICIES, WE WERE ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF FUEL,
CARS WERE ABOUT TO STOP RUNNING IN
IMF WAS BROUGHT IN AND A STAND BY ARRANGMENT WAS MADE, AND AN IMF PLAN WAS ADOPTED BY THE END OF OCTOBER 30, 2008.
THE PLAN WAS TO LAST FOR TWO (2) YEARS.
IMF TOLD US LAST WEEK, THAT IN OCTOBER 2008,
COLLAPSED!!!!!!! MICHEL NEVER TOLD US WE COLLAPSED!
AT THAT POINT, IN HIS ADDRESS TO THE NATION OF OCTOBER 31, 2008, PRESIDENT MICHEL, JUMPED ON HIS “BIG HORSE” CALLED “ECONOMIC REFORM”.
B. WHAT MICHEL WAS REALLY SAYING TO US, WAS THAT
C. SPPF SAID IT WAS THEIR “HOME GROWN PROGRAM”.
D. MARIE LISE POTTER LEADER OF GOVERNMENT BUSINESS SAID IN THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY,” NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, WILL WE SAY THE WORD “BANKRUPT”.
SHE SAID:” WE ARE GOING THROUGH DIFFICULTY AND WE WILL REFORM. WE WILL “KOSTE”, AND PULL THROUGH”. SPPF IS NOT SCARED OF DIFFICULTY.
DEAR FRIENDS,
SPPF- PP CALL THIS “ECONOMIC REFORM”. WE MUST OPEN THE EYES OF ALL SEYCHELLOIS AND SHOW THEM SPPF-PP “BANKRUPT”
WHEN A COUNTRY HAS 3 MILLION DOLLARS IN RESERVES AND NEEDS US$ 11 MILLION PER DAY, WE ARE BANKRUPT.
IN 2008 WE WERE BANKRUPT.
TODAY IN 2009, WE ARE BANKRUPT UNDER PP AND JAMES MICHEL.
THEY HAVE MADE HISTORY.
IN 5, OR 10 OR 15 YEARS UNDER PP MICHEL, FAURE OR HENSLEY
CONSTANCE, OR DR. PAYET, WE WILL STILL BE BANKRUPT.
IN 2009, WE ARE STILL BANKRUPT WITH $100 MILLION RESERVES, BECAUSE OUR DEBT EXCEEDS $850 MILLION.
WITH -8% GDP WE WILL NEVER REPAY THIS DEBT UNDER SPPF- P.P.
MICHEL FOOLS US TO BUY MORE TIME.
IN THAT TIME SEYCHELLOIS SUFFER! WE WILL SUFFER!
ALL THE SOCIAL ILLS TODAY LIKE DRUGS, ALCOHOL, CORRUPTION, ABUSE OF POWER, ARE THE SIGNS OF A SUFFERING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF SPPF-P.P. FAILURE
RESERVES $ 100 MILLION TODAY ARE ONLY 2 MONTHS EXPENSES.
TODAY, WE ARE NOT PAYING OUR DEBTS. IMF KEEPS THE COUNTRY GOING, AND THE INTEREST ON THE DEBTS KEEP GOING UP.
LAST WEEK ANOTHER IMF AGREEMENT FOR A $ 34 MILLION LOAN WAS SIGNED FOR ANOTHER 3 YEARS, AFTER THE 2 YEAR AGREEMENT. THAT MAKES IT 5 YEARS.
THIS GAME SPPF PP PLAY WILL BE CARRIED OUT FOR OVER 25 YEARS. EVERY 3 YEARS, WE WILL GET ANOTHER IMF AGREEMENT AND SEYCHELLOIS WILL BE CALLED UPON TO SUFFER AND MAKE SACRIFICE WHILE OUR PRESIDENT WATCHES THE GRAND PRIX RACE IN ABU DHABI AND TRAVELS TO ASIA FOR THREE (3) WEEKS.!
TODAY WE NEED SERIOUS LEADERSHIP TO FACE THE SERIOUS CHALLENGE BEFORE US. WE NEED LEADERSHIP THAT IS INTELLIGENT, AS WELL NOT DREAMERS OF THE PERFECT SOCIETY, BUT REAL WORKERS OF THE PERFECT SOCIETY.
IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR LEADERS TO WORK HARD.
THEY ALSO HAVE TO WORK SMART TO SAVE
SPPF AND P.P. HAVE WORKED HARD TO BANKRUPT
2. OUR DEBT
A. HOW MANY MILLIONS WE LOST TO CORRUPTION, MISMANAGEMENT, ABUSE OF AUTHORITY.
HOW MANY MILLIONS HAVE WE LOST BY BAD IDEAS.
EXAMPLE IN 1994,
TODAY WE WOULD HAVE FAST COMPUTERS AND THIS COULD BE ONE OF OUR MAIN MARKETING TOOLS.
SPPF DID NOT JOIN. NOW
B. HOW MUCH HAVE WE LOST TO COETIVY FARMS, SILHOUETTE FARMS, ORCHID FARM, IDC, AIR SEYCHELLES, THE ARMY BUDGET, THE DESALINATION PLANTS, LEHMAN BROTHERS BONDS, OTHER BONDS, OTHER LOANS,
THE LIST IS ENDLESS.
MOST RECENTLY MICHEL WANTS “WIND MILLS” TO CUT ELECTRICITY. WRONG AGAIN. ANOTHER MISTAKE.
THE CHEAPER AND BEST SOLUTION FOR
CHEAPER AND NOT UGLY.
BUT MICHEL JUMPS AT THE FIRST THING HE SEES.
C. OUR DEBT STANDS AT OVER $ 840 MILLION TODAY. DIVIDED HALF AND HALF BETWEEN DEBT COMMCERIAL AND DEBT MULTI LATERAL.
D.
THIS IS AFTER THE PARTIAL FORGIVNESS OF 22% OF MULTI-LATERAL DEBT HELD BY
THE REMAINING 23% TO BE PARDONED AFTER 6 YEARS IN TOTAL, IF,
IF THE SPPF-PP STAY UNDER THE IMF PROGRAMME.
SPPF- PP SAY 45% IS ALREADY PARDONED TO FOOL US!
THE
IMF
BUT PAUL MATHEIU DOES NOT TELL US THAT BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO SCARE US.
HE WANTS US TO SUFFER IN TRANQUILITY.
IMF AND P.P WANTS US TO STAY QUIET.
WHEN SPPF PP HAMMER US ON THE HEAD,
THEY WANT YOU TO SAY THANK YOU.
THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO SAY,’” WAIT A MINUTE, MY FRIEND, YOU ARE HITTING ME ON MY HEAD AND IT HURTS!”
THIS IS TYPICAL COMMUNISM !
IMF HAS NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER BECAUSE THE GOV. (OZORDI) DE JURE IS COMMUNIST.
E. HOW MUCH WE OWE?
PLIS KI $100,000.00 PER HEAD.
IN
THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT MICHEL AND RENE DID ALL THESE YEARS: THEY BORROWED IN THE NAME OF
THEY WILL NOT REPAY THIS MONEY!
PARIS CLUB, IMF, WORLD BANK KNOW THAT WE WILL BE BANKRUPT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS UNDER SPPF PP IF THEY STAY.
ACCORDING TO IMF COUNTRY REPORT ON
SPPF-PP IN THE MEDIA AND DISTRICT MEETINGS, ARE LYING (BAT LATETE) TO THE PEOPLE TO ENSURE THEY WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
THEY SAY THE WORSE IS OVER ( TEMPET EN FINI) , WE WERE COURAGEOUS LAST YEAR.
MICHEL WRITES IN STATE HOUSE NEWLETTER, THE “TEMPET” IS OVER; BUT THE “TEMPET” HAS JUST BEGUN.
CHER SEYCHELLOIS, WE MUST WAKE UP FROM THIS BIG LIE BEFORE WE CAN LOOK TO ECONOMIC POTENTIAL OF
TODAY, UNDER PP WE ARE BANKRUPT (FAID).
1. LOOK AT THE RESERVES
1. GOVERNOR PIERRE LAPORTE SAYS OUR RESERVES ARE $ 100 MILLION.
A. THIS IS 2 MONTHS OF MONEY TO RUN
B. IT TOOK MR. LAPORTE 1 ½ YEARS TO RAISE TWO MONTHS RESERVE, WITH AN
C. NEXT YEAR, HE MAY HAVE 4 MONTHS RESERVE.
THIS IS NOT MAKING HISTORY
THIS IS FIXING- SPICING HISTORY
D. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, IN 1976, MANCHAM COALITION GOVERNMENT HAD RAISED POUND STERLING 375 MILLION, ENOUGH THEN TO RUN SEYCHELLES FOR THREE (3) YEARS THEN, PERHAPS 10 YEARS TODAY IN REAL VALUE
TODAY THIS MONEY WOULD BE LIKE HAVING POUND STERLING 800 MILLION
ENOUGH TO RUN
TODAY, WE ARE NOT PAYING THE DEBT. INTEREST IS RISING!
2. WHO WILL PAY THIS DEBT?
A. MR. RENE WILL NOT PAY THIS DEBT. SINCE 1976, HE HAS LIVED OFF THE GOVERNMENT OF
B. HIS FAMILY LIVES OFF
ONE SON RUNS AIR
ANOTHER CONTROLS ALL THE OUTER
ANOTHER SON DID NOT EVEN GRADUATE FROM NYS WITH LITTLE ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT, BUT HAS MANAGED TO SET UP A HELICOPTER BUSINESS AND MAKES DEALS WITH THE RICHEST ARABS IN THE WORLD, WITH ONE RUPEE ISLAND PURCHASE, AND OTHER SOFT TRANSACTIONS.
SO DO NOT EXPECT THEM TO PAY OUR DEBTS.....THEY LIVE OFF US.
C. THOSE THAT STOLE MILLIONS AT SMB AND CENTRAL BANK, WILL NOT RETURN THAT MONEY IF GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ASK THEM TO.
D. IF SPPF-PP STAY, THEY WILL NOT PAY.
THE PEOPLE OF
THIS MEANS OUR CHILDREN WILL PAY THE DEBT!!!!!!
THIS IS THE REAL SACRIFICE MICHEL DOES NOT TALK ABOUT IN THE DISTRICT MEETING OR ON SBC!
PRESIDENT MICHEL DOES NOT TALK ABOUT THIS LITTLE DETAIL IN THE DISTRICTS.
3. HOW TO PARDON ALL THE DEBT
A. The other side of this bad situation, is that we can have the entire debt of $840 Million pardoned.
THIS DEBT IS LIKE AN 8” CONCRETE BLOCK AROUND OUR NECKS, DROWNING US WHEN WE TRY TO SWIM.
B. We can have the entire debt removed from our necks, BE FREE AGAIN, AND MOVE ON AS A PEOPLE.
NOW I SPEAK TO ALL SEYCHELLOIS, SNP, DP, SPPF, SPUP, ALL OF YOU EXCEPT FOR THE 15 THAT LIVE OFF US.
C. How- CLUB DE
The
(SERS EN PROGRAM POU PARDON TOU DEBT)
THEY REMOVE CHARLES TAYLOR, WENT FOR DEBT FORGIVNESS, NO MATTER WHAT CHARLES TAYLOR SAID, THEY IGNORED HIM.
D. The Commercial Debt
1.This debt mostly, the Bonds, were issued by an American Company Lehman Brothers. This company had what in law we call an obligation of “Due Diligence”; To inform buyers that
2. Lehmans had a duty of full disclosure to purchasers, and should have questioned and verified Government of
3. Because there is a lot of fraud in these transactions, a new government can bring out the fraud, establish it in court of law, and render the obligation null and void. Free
4. I HAVE ALREADY TAKEN STEPS OF NOTICE REQUIREMENTS UNDER
NOTICE TO FOLLOW
LETTERS WERE REGISTERED.
IF WE DO NOT FIGHT, WE WILL NOT KNOW IF WE CAN WIN!
I DO NOT SEE WHY WE CANNOT WIN! BUT WE MUST FIGHT,
BECAUSE THE 15 PEOPLE OF PP RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS “”FAID “”
WILL TRY TO DISCOURAGE YOU. THIS IS
The money, $ 400 MILLION plus interest at 10% per annum, where will we get it if we have to repay the Bonds?
4. DO NOT FORGET THE $2.4 BILLION THAT IS MISSING IN THE BANKING SYSTEM ACCORDING TO IMF
Audit the $2.4 Billion MISSING WHEN Government changes.
With a new Government, we can audit the $2.4 Billion as Paul Mathieu
of the IMF has suggested the people of
This money was mostly in offshore deposits that originated in
In that Audit, you will find enough money to run
Then, we will have no option but to go find that money or a portion that is missing.
THIS MONEY IS THE KEY TO OUR FUTURE.
This EFFORT WILL BE A KEY TO OUR economic future, this is our wealth, which we must secure, after the BANKRUPTCY under SPPF and IMF Administration under PP.
WITH THAT MONEY,
~WE WILL HAVE THE BEST HEALTH CARE POSSIBLE,
~WE WILL HAVE THE BEST EDUCATION POSSIBLE,
~WE CAN HAVE THE BEST TRAINS WITH AIR CONDITION FOR OUR TRANSPORT SYSTEM,
~WE CAN HAVE CABLE CARS TO LA MISERE,
~ALL SEYCHELLOIS CAN TRAVEL 3 TIMES A YEAR BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE HIGH SALARIES;
~SEYCHELLOIS WILL ALL BE RICH LIKE WE WERE SUPPOSE TO BE WITH THE MOST FANTASTIC ISLANDS ON EARTH;
~OUR JUDICIARY WILL BE INTACT; WE WILL BE ABLE TO BUILD OUR OWN JUDICIARY
AND
~REAL PARLIAMENT OF DEMOCRACY WITHOUT COMMUNIST
~INSTEAD OF RENTING OLD PLANES, AIR
WE WILL NOT HAVE TO JUST DREAM OF A NEW PLANE; WE WILL HAVE THEM!
~AIR
~~THERE IS NO LIMIT TO WHAT WE CAN DO, IF WE AS A PEOPLE, DECIDE, WE WANT TO DO IT RIGHT!
5. ANALYSIS OF OUR REALITY WITH MICHEL
DO NOT BE FOOLED BY MICHEL AND PP.~( PA LES MISEL ENBET ZOT)
MICHEL IS AN BIG - ACTOR,
HE HAS NOT MASTERED LAW,
HE HAS NOT MASTERED THE BALLPEN,
HE HAS NOT MASTERED BOOKS AND GOOD IDEAS,
HE HAS MASTERED ONLY THE CAMERA AND THE GUN.
THE CAMERA WITH THE GUN, IS ENOUGH FOR POWER,
BUT NOT ENOUGH FOR LASTING SUCCESS!
6. KOMPRAN IMF------ UNDERSTAND IMF,
THE $2.4 BILLION IS MISSING FROM OUR BANKING SYSTEM IT WAS TAKEN BY SEYCHELLOIS CITIZENS. IMF HAS TOLD US THIS.
IMF HAS ALSO TOLD US, IT IS UP TO THE PEOPLE OF
THIS IS A CLEAR MESSAGE FROM IMF:
“IMF IS TELLING US TO CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT ‘’.
BUT IT CANNOT BE DIRECT, IT MUST WORK WITH THE PARTY IN POWER.
BUT IMF TREATS THE PARTY IN POWER ACCORDING TO ITS MERIT.
SOME COUNTRIES LIKE
HERE IN
THE PEOPLE SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCE.
IMF HOPES THAT THIS PAIN WE GO THROUGH WILL HELP US MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR CHANGE.
THIS IS HOW THE IMF, CONTROLLED BY
I APPEAL TO ALL SEYCHELLOIS,
ESPECIALLY SPPF SPUP, LET US STOP THE PAIN,
LEAVE P.P. IN THE DUSTBINS OF HISTORY
GIVE OUR CHILDREN A CHANCE TO TOMORROW.
7. MICHEL ECONOMIC POLICY
WE CAN NO LONGER HAVE AN ECONOMIC POLICY OF GIVING
when we have no money in the hopes of getting money.
THIS IS NOT ECONOMICS AND FINANCE OF A SERIOUS COUNTRY.
I SAY IT AGAIN. THE FIRST JOB WE HAVE IS TO REMOVE PP FROM POWER.
NOT BECAUSE WE THIRST FOR POWER, BUT BECAUSE WE OWE IT TO OUR CHILDREN TO START DOING THINGS RIGHT IN
WE CAN DO THIS,
WE HAVE TO DO THIS!
UNLESS PP IS REMOVED, THINGS WILL ONLY GET WORSE ON THE
ECONOMIC FRONT.
CONCLUSION
LET’S ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR THE SAME OBJECTIVE.
STAY STRONG! STAY DETERMINED. DO NOT LET P.P. WEAKEN YOU.
UNDER COMMUNIST SYSTEM, THEY WEAKEN OPPONENT BEFORE
AGAIN, THANK YOU MR. WAVEL RAMKALAWAN FOR THE INVITATION TO SPEAK TO YOUR SNP CONVENTION.
I THANK MY GOOD FRIEND MARC HOUAREAU FOR HIS CRITIC-IDEAS.
I THANK MY MADAM FOR ALL HER DEVOTION,
I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEVOTION TO
MAY GOD BLESS ALL FREEDOM LOVING SEYCHELLOIS!
Hey Chris,
ReplyDeleteI'm happy to see you've taken that step. I'll make it short this time young man and just give some little advise:
Keep your head cool stay firm and most of all be constructive and polite(yes I know it's hard, but trust me, you'll gain on it). Remember that despite all the crap JAM and his rat-pack have done done in the past he still is the prezident of the country elected by a slight, but nevertheless a majority who look up to him. By insulting him you are also insulting them and that is not a good idea. I also recommend you to be proactive and keep an open mind by holding all options open.
One more thing Chris: Football and soccer can't be played at the same time. Right now the game is soccer so take off all the protective equipment and put on the same as the soccer team is wearing. That big fat Mini referee will keep dishing out those red cards if you keep playing football on the soccer pitch.
Just take my word for it and you won't be disappointed. I'm watching you with eager and look forward to seeing some real progress both for yourself and Seychelles.
Cheers :-)
Patrick X
Vox Dei says:
ReplyDeleteI also read with interest that speech. I now know what Mr Gill was doing at the SNP Convention. Mr Gill was preaching to the converts (the remaining few that remains of the SNP), i note with interest that he spoke at the invitation of Ramkalawan. I also realise that at the height of their glory, the SNP leaders would never have allowed anyone other their own to speak at the Convention! That can mean only 2 things: Ramkalawan/SNP are in dire straits and desperation has set in OR Ramkalawan is making an honest approach to other Opposition.
Whilst my instinct tells me to beware of Ramkalawan (because a leopard never changes its spots) i realise that i have no choice but to hope that he is honest in his approach, keep fingers crossed and hope for the best. However i also note that Gill does not represent anybody but himself. Ralph Volcere is the Leader of the New Democratic Party (for all its worth) and Ramkalawan's ouverturess should have been made with the DP's, on the basis of the fact that they are a Registered Opposition Politicial Party, the SNP and the DP had an agreement in 2006 (so only a few years ago), the DP also has a newspaper which they print on a regular basis, and the fact that they are in a position to field their own candidates at an election therefore herein lies the risk of a fragmented Opposition.
Having said the above, i am a little bit confused, as why Ramkalawan choose to invite Gill and not Volcere/DP. That would have been a concrete step in unifying the Opposition!
Back to Mr Gills speech. It got less than 3 seconds coverage on the SBC news item. For me this speech changes nothing on the ground. The message of unity and change should be carried to the grass root i.e to the Seychellois population. Therefore the Opposition should hit the road running and canvass the population...door to door.
I (and the disheartened Opposition supporters) need to be convinced of the seriousness of the Opposiiton Leaders. We have much to lose. The Opposition Leaders have protected themselves in 2007 by voting themselves pension/gratuities. So they do not (as the SPPF/PL leaders) do not feel the pinch of the reforms. We must not forget that SPPF/PL has tremendous powers to do harm to the ordinary man....the Opposition should be able to show that they can win the election. People need to feel that they can be trusted (once again) and that is not an easy task after having taken them to the galllows, once bitten twice shy!
Vox Dei
Thank you all for your comments.
ReplyDeleteI will collect these thoughts and reply at a later time.
Thank you again.
Christopher Gill
I am glad Gill made this speech. It is a step in the right direction for the opposition.
ReplyDeleteNixon did not go to China immediately, he sent kissinger.
Now the Dp doors can open and SNP doors can open. Everybody open your doors.
Work for the people.
Dorothy
Great Speech Chris, shame SBC (President Michel's Chat Show Channel) edited it. It is time for serious change, Ramkalawan has had his day, along with Mancienne, let them retire in peace. The time is now for new minds, new people to take on the P.P. Party P.P is relying on Ramkalawan staying leader of the opposition, that way they can never lose.
ReplyDeleteChristopher went over his speech at my house.
ReplyDeleteI am so happy it worked out well. My friends called me to tell me it went very well. I hope the Opposition uses the opportunity he has given them and not squander it in small village politics again as they do in all the chances they have.
This is a real effort at reconcilation in the Opposition he told me. Let us pray it is.
Anne
Bann la ti bezwen li pou bous trou.
ReplyDeleteGood work Christopher! It is the first time someone has taken the trouble to explain our economic situation in a language that everyone across the board - from the educated to the street cleaner - can understand. I was very impressed at the SNP convention and I am sure that all those present now fully understand what the IMF reforms really mean for Seychelles. I hope the SNP will take you along on their door-to-door campaign. Understanding the economic situation is the key to winning the next election.
ReplyDeleteRegards
Sunshine
Best Speech Ever
ReplyDeleteWe award you a GOLD MEDAL, you really deserve it.
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This guy Patrick x, he can,t gives advise to his leader who had failed SEY, what is he trying to do now, trying to scare us opsition? to protect his skin?
ReplyDeleteNO WAY X, you are just a loser.
Scare of face reality.
Your time will come Pat.
WE KNOW U.
Patrick X is right in that christopher Gill needs to learn to interact with the powers that be, rather than simply insult them.
ReplyDeleteI can see that he istrying very hard in this speech but unfortunately he falls very short.
Some simple truths- whether you support SNP, Lepep or anyone else you will be able to recognise them.
1) Christopher Gill is implying here that the IMF want Seychelles to fail. Even the worst consipracy theorist would say this does not make sense.
2) He implies that a government led by the opposition would be able to get 100% write off of the Seychelles debt- I almost laughed when I read this. A clear sign that he knows he can never get elected and is only hanging around SNP for a chance at limelight in the Assembly, as this would be the first election promise broken. Even Wavel knows this and has never said it because he knows it is not possible.
3) If you are not sure about 2 above, do a simple google search about Liberia's debt. Liberia is a LDC- Least Developed Country, and therefore eligible for assistance under the Jubilee 2000 project. This assistance allows 'substantially all' of their debts to be written off, because they are so poor that they cannot ever repay them.But you will also note that all of Liberia's debt was to organisations and bilateral partners- not banks or commercial entities.
4) Seychelles is the ONLY middle income country to have got such a high debt write off of 45%. If you dont believe me check the internet for the debt write offs for Argenetina and Serbia (two recent middle income countries involved with the IMF) and their write off was much smaller than ours.
5) the only way Christopher Gill would be able to get Seychelles debt 100% written off would be to make us an LDC- which means Seychellois would be earning less than USD2 a day. I hope this is not what he had in mind.
6) I am also not a fan of the way the government has sometimes spent money- e.g. do we really need another District administration- we would be better off investing some of that money in training projects. I also condemn the corruption of people such as Mukesh- I have no doubt he has stolen from this country. But it is stupid to imply that all of the money seychelels has borrowed went into corrupt pockets. We can all see where a lot of the money was spent in terms of raods, schools and clinics.
7) In relation to our debt per capita- it is also stupid to try and compare our debt per capita to that of the US. It is logical that the lower your population, the more it costs per person to build national infrastructure. For example, if you wnat an international airport, you need to have a minimum infrastructure that allows you to perate at international standard. this includes flight navigation equipment etc- often very costly. The minimum operating cost of an airport runs into the millions of dollars. And definitely if you spread this minimum cost over 80,000 people it will cost more than spread over a population of several million.
Just a few points, that I hope Christopher takes into account before his next speech- because right now he looks like he is very guilty of attempted 'bat latet'!
Good points Steven, I could not agree more. Chris has potential, lot's, but he needs to tame himself a bit and learn to be strategic and not least patient. I recognize a lot of myself in Chris Gill from my younger days when I was young, ambitious and had a goal of being in lead. What I realized later in life was that there were several ways to lead and being in lead does not necessarily mean being the leader. You can also be in lead by having the leader eating out of your hand.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why some of you guys have the impression that I'm a hard-core PL man trying to "bat latet" everyone who isn't. Put it this way: Those who who easily get their "latet bate" can get it done so by anyone. It's not only the PL who can play that game, I can assure you that.
Let's just say I'm a person who sees potential and disaster in things as every case has a good side and a bad. That applies to PL, SNP and of course DP.
Keep up the good debates folks. If we can all do that we can all lead to what's best for Seychelles. After all that's what we want isn't it?
Patrick X
Vox Dei says
ReplyDeleteGood points Patrick. I am not sure why you call Mr Gill "young man", that sounds patronising. I think we have to move beyond the cliches. If one criticises the Opposition one is not necessarily an SPPF/PL.
Sunshine, porte a porte will only bear fruit if done the right way. The SNP has been doing the same style of porte a porte, which had not had the desired results and never will. Simply because after there is no follow up and certainly no permanent estblishment there: (the whole SNP team descend on a district for one day, talk to a few people here and there and proclaim, noun fini bez SPPF dan sa district)! That happened in Anse Boileau a few days ago. The SPPF/PL the next day, went to the very same peole that SNP had visited the day before and counter attacked.
I await the response from Ralph Volcere on Ramkalawans feeble attempt at a unified opposition. The way to do it is for Wavel to call Ralph up, and ask him to come up at Arpent Vert (Ralph is an intelligent guy) and discuss the terms of a possible re unification.
A 3 way fight between SNP,DP and SPPF/PL believe me is in the advantage of the SPPF/PL and the SNP has more to lose. The DP basically has nothing to lose!
If the objective is to win an election than we should not be bogged down with unnessary things. A unification of the Opposition is indispensable, and the people/pary that matters should be in the equation. Gill has absolutely no control over the DP nor the Seychelles Weekly!
Parick X and Vox are just barking , you both doesn`t make sence any more.
ReplyDeleteMr Gill has make a Very Good speech
We congratutale him.
KEEP IT UP >>
Hello Vox(or should I say "lavwa"? :-) ),
ReplyDeleteCalling Chris young man might sound patronising, but that was not my intention. When you reach my age, anyone seems young. No harm meant, but I will refrain from repeating it.
I agree with you that a united opposition is the only way to beat the PL, but before any unification is made and the opposition starts bonding it is of vital importance for the country that they are clear as crystal regarding why they wish to unite. I may sound like I don't want to get rid of the PL, but give the following a little thought:
1) A united opposition gets power by outvoting the PL and make a witch hunt their first priority after one of the leaders has become prezident. who gains on that?
2) A united opposition wins a majority of votes, but has no plan or strategy as how to distribute the power. Hence an internal chaos of political intrigues and backstabbing that sets the country in chaos.
3) A united opposition wins power and finds out that half of their government is just as corrupt(or have skeletons in their closets) like the PL tops they've just outvoted.
Some here say that the little princes of the PL top cats have been given priveleges and have gone off with half the country's wealth. What garuantees do we have that the little princes of a united opposition won't do the same? Just to state an example, SNP has been accused of not being able to make account for the Radio Freedom million whilst Volcere has been accused of owing money due to a failed business. Now, if these allegations were not true, why can they not be open about it and put a lid on the cases once and for all?
At the end of the day, the choice is simple: A change for the better is what we all want. A change for the worse is what we want not.
Patrick X
Liberia is a least developed country and Seychelles is a middle income country today.
ReplyDeleteWhen IMF is finished with their program if P.P. manages it for 25 years, we will become a least developed country and will qualify for 100% debt forgiveness. Simple.
IMF does not want the people to suffer. The people decide if they want to suffer.
This debt is our problem, not IMF's. The block is around our necks, and our children, not Paul Matheiu's neck and not his children.
IMF just prescribes the right medicine taking into account the patients' performance, tendencies, and sickness.
100% debt forgivness strategy is real. This scares P.P.. It should wake up the Opposition and SPUP SPPF DP all Seychellois to take Seychelles where she should be.
I am not a youngman. I am a middle aged man. You can patronize me all you want, it will not alter your realities.
All this talk about repsepting the P.P. and respecting the Government, this is all cute.
But did James Michel respect us when he did not tell us we were bankrupt for one (1) year?
Paul Matheiu had to come here and tell us one year later. We had to hear this from a foriegner instead of our President.
Did President Michel show respect for Seychellois when he came back from visiting the Pope at the Vatican and he told us that we had paid all our debts?
Give me a break guys!
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First of all, and most importantly, I would like to congratulate Mr. Gill for the speech which by all accounts measures up to the level of problems and challenges we face in the Seychelles. I agree that being less acute could help strategically, but I can only imagine the deep, burning and pressing issues we have allow ourselves to be subjected through under the patronising corrupt leadership for the last three decades. It could best be described as a tipping point, and there is absolutely no other choice but to say it as Chris has done it. Now, we should look forward collectively and tactfully as our advisory may outsmart us in terms of being cunning on every occasion.
ReplyDeleteI would like to comment further on some issues raised earlier on the following:
Neither the opposition or the IMF wants the people of Seychelles to fail or suffer, it is the SPP who wants to maintain this power structure at all cost which will always bring inefficiency and persistent failures to the Seychelles. My message is as follows. There are at least four dimensions of governance in almost every society and nation and these include
(1) political governance (2) Economic governance (3) social governance and (4) Religious governance. The SPP have failed us on all the four dimensions of governance. The current economic reform is only the first few steps and Mr. Gill is correct. I am personally convinced that it will not reach its desired goals because at least two of the other levels of governance are not being addressed, especially the political governance which has not changed in any way. For example the opposition members in the parliament have no mandate and power in their respective districts. The power structure is highly centralised to function and satisfy the ruling party and the masters. It is not really designed for and to work with the people of Seychelles.
The second point I would like to focus on is the comment made by Steven who suggested that Mr. Gill may never be elected and he is trying to find a way in ..... Firstly, experience have shown that with SPPF/SPP the best, most qualified and competent men and women ( to be gender sensitive) are excluded, suppressed and ridiculed because they are viewed as potential threats. SPP knows deep inside if the opposition were to agree on common issues and reunite; Mr. Gill is the only one now who could bring the momentum required to change Seychelles for good.
Steven also argues that it is impossible for our unsustainable debts to be right off. He is saying this based on what grounds? The issue of Seychelles being a middle income county is not enough to support the argument made. It does not stand, sorry. The question is that some time ago SPP believed they could get the debts cancelled themselves. Is that correct? While Mr. Gill has explained how this could come about in the end, I would argue that in the International circles the perception on Seychelles has not really changed significantly. A fresh government would represent a new beginning. My view is that Seychelles needs real change. Now SPP needs to go and rest. New generations will probably rise, but never again should we stagnate ourselves with the same masters. It is like stagnated water in a pond. The water becomes smelly, full of vector borne diseases.
My final comment converges again on the statement made by Steven. He claims that one cannot compare Seychelles with the United States debt per capita and commented this is stupid. I have to say this is an insult to all the Seychellois people. The bottom line is when do we stop comparing ourselves to only Africa especially countries such as Somali, Zimbabwe, Comoros and others. A progressive society has to be able to measure up on a scaling factor (i.e. per head, per square kilometre etc) with the traditional and mainstream highly developed countries as well as to measure up with the emerging new nations such as Singapore, Mauritius, Indonesia (fastest GDP compared to USA and Japan recently), Australia etc. Failure to do so implies a regressive country.
ID1
Well Chris, with an election coming up one cannot expect the PL to come out and say that they have failed....again, for the umpteenth year in a row. Expect lies, danm lies and twisted statistics carefully engineered to manipulate the minds of those who care for themselves, today and that without a thought about tomorrow or the good of the country in the long run.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I am beginning to believe that we will not see a non PL prezident from your generation. At the rate things are going there may be hope of one from of 1980+ vintage. 2011 is a mere year away and the battle of winning the election hasn't even started so a PL victory is already secured. Despite that, they will try and save face by lieing, hiding facts and manipulating statistics to give the impression that all is well and that we are undergoing an amazing recovery. Just like the lies they served before the previous election and the one before that and so forth and so forth.
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Vox Dei
ReplyDeleteAs i write to today, i sincerely believe with all my heart that the SPPF/PL may be defeated in the 2011 elections and sent to the bin of history provided that that following conditions are met:
1. A unified Opposition force, with only 2 candidates for the Presidential race (an SPPF/PL v/s an Opposition candidate)
2. An army/mafia political (SPPF/PL carbon copy) for the Opposition. By that i mean organisational wise minus the negative that comes with such structures. That strucutre will allow for a good campaign and mobilisation posibility come election time.
3. Discussion/debates/democracy among those mandated at the head of the Opposition.
4. Sincerity between and amongst the leaders of the Opposition in achieving the common objective of removing the SPPF/PL from power.
One way forward, would be for Wavel Ramkalawan to start talking seriously with the other Opposition Leaders startign with the DPs. Heal the wounds of 2006/2007 and move forward for the love of Seychelles.
Is that too much to ask?
This blog is showing me Two things:
ReplyDelete1. There are highly intelligent Seychellois out there that can bring change to Seychelles.
2. Once the change is made, there will be intelligent Seychellois with Seychelles at heart, who will turn the fortunes of the people of Seychelles - around.
Finally, Patrick...a small word to you......with the caveat, that you may have been affected mentally and emotionally under SPPF,"
Attitude is that little ingredient that makes a man say the mountain is too high to climb or it is small enough to climb", never forget that, and you will start saying "Yes we can climb the mountain together!"
We can do this Patrick, together, we have to do this.
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First to Vox dei:
ReplyDeleteDefeating the PL in the firstcomng election is just fantasy, but if your conditions are met then there is a chance for the proceeding. Remember that coming uninvited to a party in the last hour will not lead to you leaving for home hand in hand with the prettiest girl unless you either pay for her or are already married to her. But making yourself noticed and maybe by exchanging phone numbers or e-mails you can keep the potato warm till the next party. Trust me, I know. ;-)
Now Chris:
I'll start by quoting you:
"Attitude is that little ingredient that makes a man say the mountain is too high to climb or it is small enough to climb", never forget that, and you will start saying "Yes we can climb the mountain together!"
Point taken, a sensible quote, but you have to remember that teh majority of Seychellois rather tend to think: "the mountain is too high to climb so I think I'll go for that Guiness in the fridge instead". Now there's the difference between the Seychellois and seychellois like us returnees who have lived abroad for long(yes, I am one of those too).
Of course we can climb the mountain together, but what do we do when we get to the top? Stay there or enjoy the view and see all the good and bad further down before coming down to ground level again to make things better for those who never made it up there? Now that is where Ramkalawan has failed. He got quite far up that mountain and liked the view so much that he decided to stay there at all costs forgetting why he went up there in the first place. This brings me back to Vox Dei's points above, more specifically point #3 and the word democracy. Wavel Ramkalawan should start by practising it in his own party by asking his member to vote for his continuation or resignation and respect the outcome. Then and only then can the SNP move on to be part of an allied opposition.
As to my emotional effects under the SPPF as you call it, I must disappoint you as I despised of France Albert Rene, hated everything about him and still do. He may have fooled many Seychellois with his ideology, but not me. I am still waiting for his punishment which is due soon. As to James Michel I must say that he is a few steps better than his predecessor, but the man is completely useless in finance and sorry to say as it may offend many: He's a bloody school teacher. No more, no less. I will give him points for charm, charisma and the ability to listen to the people, the latter an ability Rene simply did not posess.
Now, am I a PL supporter? No, but given an option between 2 evils where one you know and the other you know shows the same rotten streaks, I'd choose the one I know. At least that way one is fairly sure that things cannot get worse. Does that make me a PL? In my opinion it does not. Freedom of speech and opinion however allows you to have yours which I accept and respect, though disagree.
Can we do it? Yes we can! But we need time, planning, effort and cooperation to start with.
Patrick X
Vox and Patrick,
ReplyDeleteYou have hit the nail on the head.
Planning, structure, organization, well greased political machinery, I would add, synergy, marketing, accountability, honesty in rank and file, for Seychelles, and above all else, give and take, instead of take-take -take.
We must understand the underlying improtance of the Opposition itself taking steps to entrench democracy in Seychelles, instead of merely just living off a moderate communist version of democracy.
This is not right.
This is a tall order.
As politics is about bringing people together, not keeping them apart, we must try. So if we are in politics, we will have to bring people together.
If the people see that being done, we will have a great opportunity before us to change Seychelles for the next 50 years. SPPF SPUP will thank us for the effort, because we will have made Seychelles a true success, like they want it to be.
Stay optimistic. Stay Strong, have a good weekend. Lets give it until February and see what we can get done.
I have to take my son to Guitar lessons.
Have a good weekend.
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Gill this was a good speech, but you missed one point:
ReplyDeleteP.L. are telling people that they removed Changleng and that one move put Dollars in the banks, people can change anytime.
Perception is they are doing well. You need to break this in people's minds because it is not true.
What is the SNP and DP doing about it? Do you people have a united plan? Or is Volcere doing what Volcere does, Ramkalawan does what Ramkalawan does, Boulle does what Boulle does and Gill does what Gill does. Yes, Mancham does what Mancham does.
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Downfall of Seychelles is P.L. as you put it.
But Gill, in my view it is the leaders in the Opposition. I blame you all for inaction and for not putting Seychelles agenda before your personal agenda's. Opposition has been thinking of individual issues too long.
I know you have been writing, but writing alone will not change things. What are you people doing?
Mr. Ramkalawan just walke dout of the National Assembly. I salute him. But his Party stayed behind and made him look like a yoyo.
I appeal to you all to get serious or I will leave for Canada with my fmaily.
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Anonymous said..
ReplyDeleteHey Chris
I am very happy that you have openly and courageously as usual return to your rightful base. I have always admired your honesty and sincerity. I know a lot of people would disagree with me and i do not mind because for me the past do not equal the future. And everything that happened it did for a reason. As a result of that you do have to be apologetic since you are always doing your up most to educate the seychellois nation through your insightful articles. Keep on doing your work because the truth can pierce even bullet proof vest.
The truth has already set you free
I would like to thank the last comment for the input. The person says "The has set me Free" and "Truth can pierce a bullet proof vest". This is Truth at it's best.
ReplyDeleteWe want to set a new order of what politics is in Seychelles. Politicians are needed in Seychelles today, to serve our people. They need the best men and women to stand up and be counted. OUr children, without Fathers, Mothers, need us to set the right example, for a better Seychelles tomorrow.
The standards set by Rene are bad standards. We must shun his style of politics that are engrossed in terror, intimidation, fear, and manipulation of Truth.
The Opposition must not be like Rene. Michel must not be like Rene, if he is he will fail.
The pen is mightier then the sword, perhaps now SPPF is getting wind of what that means.
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